Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-22 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 22 January 2007 01:40, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > >Glxgears is as good a "quick measure" as anything else. > > The problem lies therein that graphics drivers may take shortcuts. > Such as writing only changed frames (as in "bitmap you see onscreen") > to the hw, leading to an artificially hi

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-22 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 21 2007 15:37, John Andersen wrote: >On Sunday 21 January 2007 14:40, Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> >2. On my main workstation, glxgears got 10,000 frames/sec with the x86_64 >> >install, and 7,000 frames/sec with the i386 install, a noticeable >> > difference. >> >> I repeat it again: glxgears

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread John Andersen
On Sunday 21 January 2007 15:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-21-07 19:29]: > [...] > > > He doesn't know. He hasn't tried it. He hasn't even looked into the > > intel documentation on instruction clock speeds. He speaks from > > supposition, and a high level

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread John Andersen
On Sunday 21 January 2007 15:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-21-07 19:29]: > [...] > > > He doesn't know. He hasn't tried it. He hasn't even looked into the > > intel documentation on instruction clock speeds. He speaks from > > supposition, and a high level

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-21-07 19:29]: [...] > He doesn't know. He hasn't tried it. He hasn't even looked into the > intel documentation on instruction clock speeds. He speaks from > supposition, and a high level language programmers misunderstanding > about the basic operation o

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread J Sloan
Jan Engelhardt wrote: > I repeat it again: glxgears is *NOT* an appropriate benchmark. All information is useful. We see a repeatable 30% difference, and you say it's meaningless. Pardon me if I'm skeptical, but you seem too quick to dismiss a result that is clearly telling us something. I've

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread John Andersen
On Sunday 21 January 2007 14:40, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > >2. On my main workstation, glxgears got 10,000 frames/sec with the x86_64 > >install, and 7,000 frames/sec with the i386 install, a noticeable > > difference. > > I repeat it again: glxgears is *NOT* an appropriate benchmark. > And I doubt 3

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread John Andersen
On Sunday 21 January 2007 10:37, Randall R Schulz wrote: > Remember, too, that every single virtual address synthesized and emitted > by the processor is 64-bits wide in a 64-bit mode, and for the large > majority of applications, that's a whole lot bits that are always zero > being shipped around.

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 21 2007 11:03, J Sloan wrote: >Randall R Schulz wrote: >> On Sunday 21 January 2007 09:44, J Sloan wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> 32-bit suse can run on x86_64, but not ia64. It's unlikely that you >>> have ia64 hardware, so the answer is most likely yes. >>> >>> Just curious why you'd want to do t

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Thanks for your reply To answer your question I'm upgrading my machines to 64 bit CPU's. On Sunday January 21, 2007 12:44 pm, J Sloan wrote: > Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: > > Although not new to linux I am not a hardware person. I have a rather > > simplist (perhaps) question. The question

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 21 January 2007 11:03, J Sloan wrote: > Randall R Schulz wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 09:44, J Sloan wrote: > >> ... > >> > >> 32-bit suse can run on x86_64, but not ia64. It's unlikely that > >> you have ia64 hardware, so the answer is most likely yes. > >> > >> Just curious why

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 21 January 2007 09:44, J Sloan wrote: > ... > > 32-bit suse can run on x86_64, but not ia64. It's unlikely that you > have ia64 hardware, so the answer is most likely yes. > > Just curious why you'd want to do that though. Possible reasons: 1) Fewer problems with plug-ins. 2) Better per

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread J Sloan
Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Sunday 21 January 2007 09:44, J Sloan wrote: >> ... >> >> 32-bit suse can run on x86_64, but not ia64. It's unlikely that you >> have ia64 hardware, so the answer is most likely yes. >> >> Just curious why you'd want to do that though. > > Possible reasons: > > 1) F

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread J Sloan
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: > Although not new to linux I am not a hardware person. I have a rather > simplist (perhaps) question. The question is whether 32 bit SuSE will work > on a 64 bit CPU? > > I am planning on upgrading by linux machine to 64 bits and would like to use > the prim

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread James Knott
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: > Although not new to linux I am not a hardware person. I have a rather > simplist (perhaps) question. The question is whether 32 bit SuSE will work > on a 64 bit CPU? > > I am planning on upgrading by linux machine to 64 bits and would like to use > the primary

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Thanks very much for your answer. I really appreciate it. On Sunday January 21, 2007 9:05 am, Jan Karjalainen wrote: > Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: > > Although not new to linux I am not a hardware person. I have a rather > > simplist (perhaps) question. The question is whether 32 bit SuSE

Re: [opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Jan Karjalainen
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: Although not new to linux I am not a hardware person. I have a rather simplist (perhaps) question. The question is whether 32 bit SuSE will work on a 64 bit CPU? I am planning on upgrading by linux machine to 64 bits and would like to use the primary master (

[opensuse] 32 bit SuSE on 64 bit CPU

2007-01-21 Thread Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Although not new to linux I am not a hardware person. I have a rather simplist (perhaps) question. The question is whether 32 bit SuSE will work on a 64 bit CPU? I am planning on upgrading by linux machine to 64 bits and would like to use the primary master (linux installation only) on the ne