Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration

2006-03-10 Thread houghi
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:36:26AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote: > It may be that 98% of the Linux users are just idiots, but maybe the > remaining 2% > have some professional attitude towards upgrading software, and those will > actually take the advantage to read it. I do not say that whatever p

Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration

2006-03-10 Thread houghi
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:23:37AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote: > Maybe add two buttons. "OK" and "Later": For "Later" it will displayed again > at > the end of the installation. A very bad idea. Anoying to the user. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist u

Re: [opensuse-factory] gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread J Sloan
Ulrich Windl wrote: > On 9 Mar 2006 at 13:32, J Sloan wrote: > > [...] >> Many vendors e.g. oracle require apps to be rebuilt or relinked in place, and >> the build fails due to compiler changes - so telling the poor DBA to "FIX >> YOUR >> ERRORS" is most unhelpful I'm afraid - so this is an unac

Re: [opensuse-factory] gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread J Sloan
Ulrich Windl wrote: > On 9 Mar 2006 at 14:31, J Sloan wrote: > > [...] >> Oracle 10 enterprise manager - >> >> Error logs not available right now, but the DBA had to install an older >> version of gcc to get it built, as Oracle does not support gcc 4, and their >> support begins with "you must use

Re: [opensuse-factory] gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:44:40AM -0800, J Sloan wrote: > I suppose we have the option, as was mentioned here, of simply building an > older gcc for our own use - but it would nice nice if the vendor would do that > sort of thing. Isn't that why we buy the boxed set every 6 months? It would be us

Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?

2006-03-10 Thread Frank-Michael Fischer
Ulrich Windl wrote: > > > Is there some guarantee that Zenworks is free from patent claims (from > Novell)? > > The issue here is not just patent claims, the whole license situation around ZENworks is a bit foggy, since it comes NOT under a GPL but under an LGPL license. Which is legally ques

[opensuse-factory] Re: gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (cross-posting to opensuse-packaging as the topic is on purpose) Robert Schiele wrote: ... > So building yourself is the way to go if you don't want to fix the code. > Alternatively unpacking a binary package from an older release should do as > well.

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 11:17:53AM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: > Apart from that, I'd be willing to provide gcc3 packages for SUSE Linux > in my repository (for C and C++) but... what would be the best place for > it, how to best handle those compat library packages (i.e. where to put > them to avo

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Schiele wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 11:17:53AM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: >> Apart from that, I'd be willing to provide gcc3 packages for SUSE Linux >> in my repository (for C and C++) but... what would be the best place for >> it, how to

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 11:36:38AM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: > I meant to for the compat runtime libraries. No nead to package them again. They are already in compat-libstdc++. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [opensuse-factory] Q: AMD microcode update utility

2006-03-10 Thread Philipp Thomas
* Ulrich Windl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20060309 09:08]: > regarding bug #122040: Is there a microcode update utility for AMD CPUs? No. At least AMD hasn't published any specs that indicate that AMD CPUs do have an interface to do that. > Currently the Intel microcode update utility is installed ev

Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration

2006-03-10 Thread Andreas Jaeger
houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:56:15PM +0100, Azerion wrote: >> Could someone tell me why the releasesnotes are shown before the >> hardware-configuration? I always thought that release-notes where shown at >> the end. Can it be replaced or does it have a functio

Re: [opensuse-factory] gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread Andreas Jaeger
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pascal Bleser wrote: > >> Indeed, you'd best run Oracle on SLES. > > > True, SLES is the "safe" choice, and that's what my large SuSE customers are > running - but I often do work for some smallish, cost-sensitive shops that are > running SuSE Pro, and it work

[opensuse-factory] No LDAP browser?

2006-03-10 Thread Silviu Marin-Caea
I see that gq has been dropped. And luma hasn't been added. So, how does one browse a LDAP server? I don't know the syntax of ldap:/ kio slave in Konqueror. Can anyone help with that? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration

2006-03-10 Thread Azerion
> > What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the > > beginning, just after the licence agreement. > > Add it to the slide show ;-) > > Ulrich Will we see the slideshow with an Network-install? I thought that when you network it that you do not see the slide-show.. A

Re: [opensuse-factory] Q: AMD microcode update utility

2006-03-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
On 10 Mar 2006 at 11:55, Philipp Thomas wrote: > * Ulrich Windl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20060309 09:08]: > > > regarding bug #122040: Is there a microcode update utility for AMD CPUs? > > No. At least AMD hasn't published any specs that indicate that AMD CPUs do > have an interface to do that. I

Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration

2006-03-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
On 10 Mar 2006 at 12:13, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:56:15PM +0100, Azerion wrote: > >> Could someone tell me why the releasesnotes are shown before the > >> hardware-configuration? I always thought that release-notes where shown at

Re: [opensuse-factory] No LDAP browser?

2006-03-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
On 10 Mar 2006 at 13:23, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote: > I see that gq has been dropped. > > And luma hasn't been added. > > So, how does one browse a LDAP server? Using the filter "objectClass=*" on the full tree. > > I don't know the syntax of ldap:/ kio slave in Konqueror. Can anyone help > wit

Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration

2006-03-10 Thread Ulrich Windl
On 10 Mar 2006 at 13:10, Azerion wrote: > > > What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the > > > beginning, just after the licence agreement. > > > > Add it to the slide show ;-) > > > > Ulrich > > Will we see the slideshow with an Network-install? I thought that when yo

Re: [opensuse-factory] gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread J Sloan
Robert Schiele wrote: > It would be useful if you read the other mails of this thread before answering > because in the very beginning I already mentioned the reason why this is not > practical: > >"If SUSE (or any other vendor) started to ship compilers for every variant > of broken code

Re: [opensuse-factory] gcc 3.x compatibility package

2006-03-10 Thread J Sloan
Andreas Jaeger wrote: > SUSE Linux should still be a stable, well designed, polished distro > that works out of the box - but you're testing a beta right now;-). > Oracle was never supported as part of SUSE Linux Professional, it > might just have worked for some versions. > > AFAIK you will not

Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?

2006-03-10 Thread Joseph M. Gaffney
So nothing yet from Novell or the developers? I believe alot of people here have expressed serious concerns with the use of a .Net based application as a core component, and I have yet to see any official response on this. A thread is ongoing on suseforums.net containing further concerns, and I

Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?

2006-03-10 Thread Azerion
> I'm a bit put off by this for another reason; for such a significant > change, I would have thought the openSUSE community would have been asked > for input on the matter, which I did not see. > > Joseph M. Gaffney > aka CuCullin We have allready two points off that matter in the mailinglists: -

Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?

2006-03-10 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:45:30PM -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > So nothing yet from Novell or the developers? Why should the developers say anything here about that? The whole discussion was completely emotional with no technical reasons. Thus you just addressed the wrong people and should

Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?

2006-03-10 Thread Joseph M. Gaffney
On Friday 10 March 2006 14:18, Robert Schiele wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:45:30PM -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > > So nothing yet from Novell or the developers? > > Why should the developers say anything here about that? The whole > discussion was completely emotional with no technical

[opensuse-factory] About Zen and Mono (was: suse xp home sp2?)

2006-03-10 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [keeping the thread, but changing the subject to a more descriptive one] Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > On Friday 10 March 2006 14:18, Robert Schiele wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:45:30PM -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: >>> So nothing yet from Nove

Re: [opensuse-factory] How to write the log to harddisk while installing?

2006-03-10 Thread Azerion
Op donderdag 9 maart 2006 16:42, schreef Steffen Winterfeldt: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Azerion wrote: > > Hey, > > > > as noob-tester I have an old computer with old hardware (seems to be > > related). While installing beta6 there were some problems, but some of > > them makes the PC hang or stop the

[opensuse-factory] Why so few sheets in the install?

2006-03-10 Thread Azerion
While not be able to see the sheets in action, I have found them on the bootdisk. And as soon I saw the content of the folder I thought: What? So few sheets? The install takes longer then 40 minutes. And we probably use 5 of them We have the ideal opportunity to introduce SUSE Linux to new u

Re: [opensuse-factory] Why so few sheets in the install?

2006-03-10 Thread houghi
On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 12:50:20AM +0100, Azerion wrote: > My proposal is that we promote/explain some key-programs/features of SUSE > Linux. Introduce the packagemanager/updater, show some XGL screenshots so > they are amazed (even when it is not available for their PC). Make people > feel fuzz

Re: [opensuse-factory] Why so few sheets in the install?

2006-03-10 Thread Azerion
> Don't promote anything that is not available. Otherwise I like the idea. > Something for 10.2 perhaps. We just show what Linux can be like. People like to know that. They all have seen the images of Vista and Linux still does have the 'console-thing'-problem. A bit show-off is not that bad

Re: [opensuse-factory] Why so few sheets in the install?

2006-03-10 Thread houghi
On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:26:58AM +0100, Azerion wrote: > We are totally on the same line. Did some XML-devver allready volunteer? > otherwise I can bumb it if you like ;-) Was sick during the week. I will see how I feel tomorrow and what Time I have left. I must contact the volonteers and see w