Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-03-02 Thread Maurizio Galli
Dear All, On 2/26/19 10:05 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: Am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2019, 14:49:57 CET schrieb Liam Proven: Any IRC client offers a subset of the functionality of Pidgin, which is a perfectly good IRC client and has been my go-to one since I stopped using Win 9x. So if the base insta

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-26 Thread Maurizio Galli (MauG)
On 2/26/19 9:49 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 2/25/19 5:10 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: I see. As throwing Pidgin out b/c of Matrix, Telegram etc. would also apply to Hexchat and as we (currently) have no disk space shortage to keep an eye on so I'd vote for keeping them both. IMHO duplication is a b

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-26 Thread Vinzenz Vietzke
Am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2019, 14:49:57 CET schrieb Liam Proven: > Any IRC client offers a subset of the functionality of Pidgin, which is > a perfectly good IRC client and has been my go-to one since I stopped > using Win 9x. So if the base install should include a chat client, which > I would say

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-26 Thread Liam Proven
On 2/25/19 5:10 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > I see. As throwing Pidgin out b/c of Matrix, Telegram etc. would also apply > to > Hexchat and as we (currently) have no disk space shortage to keep an eye on > so > I'd vote for keeping them both. IMHO duplication is a bad thing. There's no reason

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Eion MacDonald
On 25/02/2019 11:28, Maurizio Galli wrote: > It's not a great IRC client imo missing many of the features of > hexchat or weechat. weechat may be politically unacceptable to some uses/ countries. -- regards Eion MacDonald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To c

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Eion MacDonald
On 25/02/2019 13:01, Maurizio Galli wrote: > just remember that "zypper > in pidgin" will bring it back. Not much use , if user does not already know pidgin and its uses. -- regards Eion MacDonald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Eion MacDonald
On 25/02/2019 16:10, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > Hi, > >> The standard Xfce pattern should be B). For a minimal Xfce desktop >> users can use the xfce_basis pattern package. > > I see. As throwing Pidgin out b/c of Matrix, Telegram etc. would also apply > to > Hexchat and as we (currently) have

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Vinzenz Vietzke
Hi, > The standard Xfce pattern should be B). For a minimal Xfce desktop > users can use the xfce_basis pattern package. I see. As throwing Pidgin out b/c of Matrix, Telegram etc. would also apply to Hexchat and as we (currently) have no disk space shortage to keep an eye on so I'd vote for kee

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Maurizio Galli
Hi Vinz, > I think there's some kind of basic decision to be made. The Xfce pattern is > for: > A) Installing Xfce with some closely related tools like Thunar, Catfish etc. > B) Bringing a somewhat "full flavored" Xfce distribution. > > For going with A) please leave out Hexchat (an propably other

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Vinzenz Vietzke
Am Montag, 25. Februar 2019, 14:01:04 CET schrieb Maurizio Galli: > Ok noted and like I said I will leave this open for others to chip in. > Unless the decision affected multiple users, I still prefer not to > install it by default. In that scenario, just remember that "zypper > in pidgin" will b

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Maurizio Galli
Ok noted and like I said I will leave this open for others to chip in. Unless the decision affected multiple users, I still prefer not to install it by default. In that scenario, just remember that "zypper in pidgin" will bring it back. Cheers, Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Liam Proven
On 2/25/19 12:28 PM, Maurizio Galli wrote: > PS: sorry for the spam. My first email had its format all messed up. Ah, then I am sorry for criticizing its formatting. I hope my instructions on how to bottom-post were useful, though. (Hint hint! ;-) ) -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Liam Proven
Your quoting seems to be badly broken. I suggest you look into that, too. It is not Gmail's fault; I use Gmail at home and it bottom-posts just fine. Here is how: 1. Select "plain text" (bottom right, 3 vertical dots next to trashcan). 2. Enter the edit window, hit Ctrl-A to select all, then trim

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Maurizio Galli
Hi Liam, I don't consider Pidgin to be obsolete. Rather not particularly good with the more modern technologies. > Telegram works fine in Pidgin and I > use it daily I personally had bad experience with the plugin, particularly with "groups" and it doesn't really compare to the official native Te

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Maurizio Galli
Hi Liam,I don't consider Pidgin to be obsolete. Rather not particularly good with the more modern technologies.> Telegram works fine in Pidgin and I> use it dailyI personally had bad experience with the plugin, particularly with "groups" and it doesn't really compare to the official native Telegram

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Marcel Kühlhorn
On Mon, 2019-02-25 at 11:33 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: > On 2/25/19 8:30 AM, Maurizio Galli wrote: > > - remove pidgin (except for IRC, the protocols supported are no > > longer > > very popular. Users today mostly use Matrix, Telegram, > > Discord which > > are not properly supported by Pidgin). >

Re: [opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-25 Thread Liam Proven
On 2/25/19 8:30 AM, Maurizio Galli wrote: > - remove pidgin (except for IRC, the protocols supported are no longer > very popular. Users today mostly use Matrix, Telegram, Discord which > are not properly supported by Pidgin). You specifically mention Telegram. Telegram works fine in Pidgin and I

[opensuse-xfce] Cleanup and changes in Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and Leap 15.1

2019-02-24 Thread Maurizio Galli
Dear All, I would like to announce a cleanup / changes in the Xfce Pattern for Tumbleweed and the upcoming Leap 15.1 release. Leap 15.1 release is an important one for openSUSE-Xfce because it will have a new look (already set in Tumbleweed), will have updated software such as Thunar 1.8, and man