Re: A plea - WAS Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Rickard Öberg
Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: Some points that people seem to be forgetting: - Xwork is in the SANDBOX and is eXperimental (if you like the X for that) - Nothing in Xwork can't be changed, these are ideas, prototypes - Xwork will be better for 'web work' than WebWork is! - Xwork will be better for 'n

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Rickard Öberg
Jason Carreira wrote: Actions were originally spec'd to have a method, execute(), with no parameters. That was back when we had ServletAware, etc., and the context information would be made available to the Action before it was executed. When it was decided to get rid of these interfaces, to decou

RE: [OS-webwork] broken in RC1?

2003-01-12 Thread James Cook
More info: When the action is referred to as an import, such as: The imported page makes callbacks as long as I use WebWork tags in my view, such as: However, no callbacks are made if the view uses JSTL tags, such as: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Heng Sin Low
The multiple thread thing is simple/trivial to solve using AOP. I'm not sure this would cause any performance issue though. --- Jason Carreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not that it's difficult to keep it "Swing compatible" and it's not a > choice of loosing features. The new features, the

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Peter Kelley
+1 for asynchronous messages On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 00:24, Rickard Öberg wrote: > Erik Beeson wrote: > > Rickard, as I understood, XWork was to break away from J2EE, hence > > removing "web" from the name. If new versions with strong web ties are > > going to remain, shouldn't they remain under the

Re: [OS-webwork] Slow performance using ww:iterator tag (version 1.2.1)?

2003-01-12 Thread Hani Suleiman
Only after the first try. I don't think slapping on oscache is the solution, as it just hides the performance problem (of course, adding oscache is always a good idea, but making that first hit faster would also be a good idea) On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Mike Cannon-Brookes
Jason +1 man - someone with sanity here! Folks - as I said in my earlier email, take a step back and think a second. For those who are angry / forking / leaving / pissed off / bitching / whinging - have you honestly actually LOOKED at the Xwork source yet? HINT: There are some REALLY COOL things

Re: [OS-webwork] Slow performance using ww:iterator tag (version1.2.1)?

2003-01-12 Thread Mike Cannon-Brookes
Simple : OSCache with a session scoped cache entry. This will drop the run time down to about 1ms. Cheers, Mike On 12/1/03 9:36 PM, "Robert Nicholson" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words: > That is flabbergasting. Couldn't you cache the list when the user logs > in? > > Why don't you take a lo

A plea - WAS Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Mike Cannon-Brookes
Can I just chip in here and ask children (all people) to cool the f'k down? Some points that people seem to be forgetting: - Xwork is in the SANDBOX and is eXperimental (if you like the X for that) - Nothing in Xwork can't be changed, these are ideas, prototypes - Xwork will be better for 'web wor

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Hani Suleiman
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 08:24 AM, Rickard Öberg wrote: So, given all of this, my resignation from XWork still holds. The requirements that have been voiced the last few days are not mine, and I don't think they're compatible with my goals, at least not without serious compromises tha

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Amen (great point abot JMS, btw)! This is _sandbox_, PLEASE everyone stop making things so dramatic. All I'm doing is putting things in there for us to discuss and toy with. Then we talk. That's the idea: Write, talk, write some more. Not write, talk, abandon project ;) -Pat - Original Messag

RE: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Jason Carreira
It's not that it's difficult to keep it "Swing compatible" and it's not a choice of loosing features. The new features, the biggest one being Interceptors, IMHO, are in no way involved in this. This is really a question of cleaning up some (IMO) ugliness in the original code that was put in to k

RE: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Jason Carreira
I'm not sure I see the disconnect here. What's so different about Xwork? Views can still be JSP / Velocity / XSLT which generates HTML. It's still a great framework for web app development. If the ThreadLocal thing is the only sticking point, then lets talk about that. I'm personally for the cha

Re: Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Robert Carlens
I have been following this list for quite some time with great interest. I really like all the new ideas for XWork. I think it would be sad not to see those ideas become implemented only because it would be difficult to keep it "Swing compatible". If an alternative is to break Webwork and XWork

[OS-webwork] newbie: should I use 1.3 or 1.2.1?

2003-01-12 Thread Ken Keller
I'm a Webwork newbie. * Should I use 1.3 or 1.2.1? * It looks like the library of ValidationEditorSupport's is very thin. There's no MonthEditor, YearEditor, etc. IntegerEditor has no range option. Is there a way to pass parameters to ValidationEditorSupport's? * The javadoc's have no documen

[OS-webwork] broken in RC1?

2003-01-12 Thread James Cook
Is anyone having success with the when the value is an action? Sure it executes the action just fine, but I am not getting any callbacks from the view to hit the ValueStack. Calling the action directly, _does_ result in the action and page being executed correctly. > -Original Message- >

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread matt baldree
I think there are two directions here and I don't see any easy resolution at this stage. So, yes I think two projects make sense. My next question is "Is there room for these two projects at OS?" Does it make sense or will it be a distraction since they do have overlap? Should WW move back out on i

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Heng Sin Low
I think it might be beneficial to do both xwork and webwork as separate project at this point of time. At least, people will spent less time debating at mailing list and get things done. I guess there is no right or wrong here, it is just that people have different preference and needs. For instanc

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Joseph Ottinger
What kind of real world example applications do you want? Wafer has a working webwork example... And docs? Who needs them - they're for people who aren't willing to roll their sleeves up and dig directly into the code, right? (Note droll humour.) On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Heng Sin Low wrote: > I thin

Re: [OS-webwork] Reflection

2003-01-12 Thread Rickard Öberg
Erik Beeson wrote: Rickard, as I understood, XWork was to break away from J2EE, hence removing "web" from the name. If new versions with strong web ties are going to remain, shouldn't they remain under the original WebWork name? That is something I wanted to gauge by my last couple of emails. I

Re: [OS-webwork] Slow performance using ww:iterator tag (version 1.2.1)?

2003-01-12 Thread Robert Nicholson
That is flabbergasting. Couldn't you cache the list when the user logs in? Why don't you take a look at the template and see if you can nail down what's causing the delays assuming you haven't done that already of course. If it's user specific what does countries method look like? On Sunday, J