Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2024-03-04 Thread Michael Richardson
Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > The TD;LR is I think that your latest changes are good and I’ll send > -12 to IETF LC. I think that I got the rest of your nits as well in the version I posted yesterday. -- Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2024-02-12 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Michael, The TD;LR is I think that your latest changes are good and I’ll send -12 to IETF LC. When checking the changes, diff, 3 minor nits: 1. “a IP address literal in the URL” to “an IP … 1. I still think “inprotocol” should be something else, perhaps “within the protocol”.

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2024-02-08 Thread Michael Richardson
{noting that you reviewed -08, and we are up to -10 since, so some of your comments/text are no longer applicable} Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > I’ve just re-reviewed -10.I still think that the English to be cleaned > up further. I know that the RFC editor would likely find and fix

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2024-02-06 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
some situations that may be significant, particularly if unencrypted WiFi is used. Warning: Did you mean Wi-Fi? (This is the officially approved term by the Wi-Fi Alliance.) Suggested change: "Wi-Fi" Regards, Rob From: Toerless Eckert Date: Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 23:21 To:

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-11-04 Thread Michael Richardson
> Thank for clarification, Michael. I believe my confusion comes from the > following paragraph: " While subsequent connections to the same site (and subsequent packets in the same flow) will not be affected if the results are cached, the effects will be felt. The ACL results can be

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-11-04 Thread Qin Wu
ect. -Qin -邮件原件- 发件人: Michael Richardson [mailto:mcr+i...@sandelman.ca] 发送时间: 2023年11月1日 22:56 收件人: Qin Wu 抄送: Eliot Lear ; Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; opsawg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerati...@ietf.org 主题: Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-consideration

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-11-01 Thread Michael Richardson
Qin Wu wrote: > Hi Michale: If my interpretation is correct, the mapping between IP > address and Name is only valid for specific session or connection, when I don't understand your comment. The policy might say, "permit TCP port 1245 to example.com" In order to enact this policy, the

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-11-01 Thread Qin Wu
-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerati...@ietf.org 主题: Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08 Eliot Lear wrote: > On 23.10.2023 17:27, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Maybe someone else can explain it back to me in a better way. > The funda

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-26 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 05:49:08PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Sure, but that DNSSEC issue equally applies to TLS proxies, right ? > > DNSSEC is not mentioned in the docs paragraphs discussing TLS. > > TLS proxies do not change/break DNS(SEC). > They "attack" at the TCP layer (in

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-26 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: >> > If this geofenced is what i think, then i don't believe it is a valid >> > argument: >> >> > The draft outlines how TLS proxying does not work with 1.3 >> > anymore. However, TCP and UDP proxying would still work, as long as >> > servers do not

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-26 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 09:43:57AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Randomnly jumping into the discussion, probavbly too late for any > > impact, but: > > > I am not quite sure that section 6.4 "geofenced names" exactly means, a > > RFC reference

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-26 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > Randomnly jumping into the discussion, probavbly too late for any > impact, but: > I am not quite sure that section 6.4 "geofenced names" exactly means, a > RFC reference would help. Also a reference for the described problems. I see that it's not in

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-25 Thread Toerless Eckert
Randomnly jumping into the discussion, probavbly too late for any impact, but: I am not quite sure that section 6.4 "geofenced names" exactly means, a RFC reference would help. Also a reference for the described problems. If this geofenced is what i think, then i don't believe it is a valid

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-25 Thread Michael Richardson
Eliot Lear wrote: > On 23.10.2023 17:27, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Maybe someone else can explain it back to me in a better way. > The fundamental issue is this: > * If you are permitting an IP address in an ACL based on a name in a > MUD file, the mapping to that

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-23 Thread Eliot Lear
On 23.10.2023 17:27, Michael Richardson wrote: Maybe someone else can explain it back to me in a better way. The fundamental issue is this: * If you are permitting an IP address in an ACL based on a name in a MUD file, the mapping to that address is valid for the greater of the TTL on

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-23 Thread Michael Richardson
Rob Wilton \(rwilton\) wrote: >> > (14) p 4, sec 3.1.1. Too slow >> >> > While subsequent connections to the same site (and subsequent packets >> > in the same flow) will not be affected if the results are cached, the >> > effects will be felt. The ACL results can be cached

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-23 Thread Michael Richardson
This changes I made based upon your comments are at: https://github.com/IETF-OPSAWG-WG/draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations/pull/12 I've merged it to make/post -10, but if you are further comments and want to suggest other changes in the github, please go ahead.

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Richardson
Hi, I've been through the issues that I opened last Wednesday. The pull requests are: https://github.com/IETF-OPSAWG-WG/draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations/pull/11 https://github.com/IETF-OPSAWG-WG/draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations/pull/10

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-20 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08 > > > > (10) p 12, sec 7. Privacy Considerations > > > The use of DoT and DoH eliminates the minimizes threat from passive > > eavesdropped, but still exposes the list to the operator of the DoT

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-18 Thread mohamed . boucadair
Wilton (rwilton) > Cc : opsawg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns- > considerati...@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns- > considerations-08 > > > > > (7) p 11, sec 6.5. Prefer DNS servers learnt from DHCP/Route >

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-18 Thread Michael Richardson
Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > I've also run the text > through a grammar checker which may highlight potential additional > changes, but can also have some false positives (MCR, please can you > check these). okay. > Minor level comments: > (1) p 2, sec 1.

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-13 Thread Michael Richardson
Thank you for the comments, I'll try to get a new document out next week. I'm sorry that the grammar was poor, and I'll re-edit again. -- Michael Richardson. o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide signature.asc Description: PGP

[OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08

2023-10-13 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi, Here is my AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-08. I found quite a few cases where the grammar is incorrect, which I find somewhat distracting and makes the document harder to review for technical content/correctness. I've flagged as many of these that I can in my