Eugen Leitl wrote:
Data retention law has just been passed in Germany. Here's the list
of who voted how
http://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenargeschehen/abstimmung/20071109_teleueberwach.pdf
This will be contested as unconstitutional, but in cases it
will become law all Tor
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 11:46:07AM -0500, Hans S. wrote:
TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) wrote:
I will try it for email (fon, mobile and sms may be nearly like this):
For mobile calls and SMS messages, the cell location of the caller/
sender at the beginning of the call must be recorded.
Please take a
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:12:35PM +0100, linux wrote:
do you know what is a timestamp in terms of this law? today, 11pm
2: anon server:
In my opinion, an anon sever has to log every replacement of a
sender ID by his own ID and the time stamp of this replacement.
Tor
Thus spake Smuggler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Olaf Selke wrote:
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
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Mike Perry wrote:
Thus spake Smuggler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Olaf Selke wrote:
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
how to store
Thus spake Smuggler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Olaf Selke wrote:
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 11:59:43AM -0800, Mike Perry wrote:
Oh, and I'm also wondering about redundancy. If I run a Tor node in
Germany is it the case that I have to log, AND my ISP has to log, AND
their colo provider has to log, AND the upstream ISP has to log, AND the
That would be
(Disclaimer: I'm not doing it, nor will I ever do it, so raiding my
place is completely pointless; and once you've ruined my life
sufficiently, you and yours will pay dearly, and in person).
Not think you're being a tad melodramatic there?
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SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
Bad idea. Right now we're not criminals, and can even convince the
interested public of that.
If we'd start shooting back we would lose public support. Which is the
factor that will decide this war.
Plus, it would never really work. Antivirus software would
Matej Kovacic schrieb:
I agree. But what about building Tor server and client into popular P2P
clients?
There is a project to spread out Tor by pre-configured
DSL-modem/WLAN-router.
http://wiki.freunde-der-freiheit.de/index.php/TOR-Campaign
They have a mailing list. I do not know, if a router
?
Algenon
Hans S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message
From: Marco Gruss
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To: or-talk@freehaven.net
Subject: Re: 20090101 (log data)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:27:39 +0100
Hi,
TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) wrote:
I
On Nov 12, 2007 3:15 AM, algenon flower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello
I just hardly can't believe it what I am hearing about this. From what I
get, it sounds like a full on assault on privacy and free speech, the things
that make the internet good, has begun.
I am very sorry to hear the
Andrew kirjoitti:
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Marko Sihvo schrieb:
Eugen Leitl kirjoitti:
Yes, I agree, ordinarily this is morally despicable, but this is
war, and we haven't started it.
SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
Bad idea. Right now we're not
On Sunday 11 November 2007 10:43, TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) wrote:
do you know what is a timestamp in terms of this law? today, 11pm
2: anon server:
In my opinion, an anon sever has to log every replacement of a
sender ID by his own ID and the time stamp of this replacement.
Tor
Timing attacs can be done only with accurate data.
What if my server has a wrong time or its clock is changing speed randomly
or ...
I think some more clever people then me will come up with an idea soon.
I am sure tor developers will soon improve tor. We should of course do a lot
in fighting
On Nov 12, 2007 12:13 PM, linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Timing attacs can be done only with accurate data.
What if my server has a wrong time or its clock is changing speed randomly
or ...
I think some more clever people then me will come up with an idea soon.
I am sure tor developers will
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 01:13:23PM -0700, Kasimir Gabert wrote:
The Overnet idea seems a tad silly. If connections in between servers
I don't know how well hidden services and current Tor codebase scales,
but having an anonymous communication space is certainly worthwhile,
even if read-only.
On Nov 12, 2007 1:26 PM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 01:13:23PM -0700, Kasimir Gabert wrote:
The Overnet idea seems a tad silly. If connections in between servers
I don't know how well hidden services and current Tor codebase scales,
but having an anonymous
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
not collected at all can't be stored, right?. But this law does not
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Olaf Selke wrote:
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
not
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:03:19 +
Smuggler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It says: Store these specific datasets
since i'm italian and i don't know your language, i'm curious about
which data must be retained by each service.
Could you list them, in english?
greetings
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:43:03 +0100
TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will try it for email (fon, mobile and sms may be nearly like this):
thank you ;-)
Hi,
TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) wrote:
I will try it for email (fon, mobile and sms may be nearly like this):
For mobile calls and SMS messages, the cell location of the caller/
sender at the beginning of the call must be recorded.
Pretty ugly, IMHO.
Marco
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Am Freitag, 9. November 2007 schrieb Eugen Leitl:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 07:42:46PM +0100, Valen MacLeod wrote:
Heisst das jetzt, dass ich das
Original Message
From: Marco Gruss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: or-talk@freehaven.net
Subject: Re: 20090101 (log data)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:27:39 +0100
Hi,
TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) wrote:
I will try it for email (fon, mobile and sms may
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 11:46:07AM -0500, Hans S. wrote:
I personally begin to look around for places to set up my node (and
myself;) in other parts of the world.
When you do this, make sure you that the server/IP is not registered
to you personally, and make sure the means of payment are not
Eugen Leitl kirjoitti:
Yes, I agree, ordinarily this is morally despicable, but this is war,
and we haven't started it.
I agree...
Acting like saint will end up in the death of anonymity and free
communciations... Welcome to the real world...
SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
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Marko Sihvo schrieb:
Eugen Leitl kirjoitti:
Yes, I agree, ordinarily this is morally despicable, but this is
war, and we haven't started it.
SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
Bad idea. Right now we're not criminals, and can even convince the
Am Freitag, den 09.11.2007, 16:25 +0100 schrieb Eugen Leitl:
No, there's a clemency period until 20090101. Whether you want to
log afterwards, or shut down your node is every operator's personal
decision.
Does anyone have an idea of the size of these log files? I try to
estimate how many
To: or-talk@freehaven.net
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Max Berger wrote:
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As far as I see in the new §113a TKG [*] we don't have to log the whole
circuit data. We just have to log, which nodes connect to our node and
which IP-address we give
Our measurement for space of log data:
(because there was a question for it)
server traffic (mean): 2.000 KB/s
log data for one week: 200 GByte
after remove of some useless strings: 120 GByte
compressed and encrypted: 20 GByte
for 26 weeks: approx. 500 GByte
This is very much for our
I assume that they made sure to put one, or more, make available to
the state cause in there?
Of course !
If not, I'm just wondering how they'd react if I do log (as
required), and if they want the logs, I send them a
tor.20080101-20100101.logs.tar.bz.gpg.good_luck.
German:
§113 a
Alexander Bernhard kirjoitti:
They will not just ask you for the logfiles. YOU will have to find out which
ip-address was routed on your server on a more-or-less specific timewindow
in the last 6 month and with which ip-address the data was forwarded to the
next router.
If you can not provide
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 03:59:44PM CET, you (Eugen Leitl) wrote:
This will be contested as unconstitutional, but in cases it
will become law all Tor operators are required by law to start
logging 20090101.
20080101 :(
Eugen Leitl wrote:
This will be contested as unconstitutional, but in cases it
will become law all Tor operators are required by law to start
logging 20090101.
nope, from my understanding this is not the case. Telco operators are required
to store data
they already collect, for a certain
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:13:46PM +0100, Peter Kornherr wrote:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 03:59:44PM CET, you (Eugen Leitl) wrote:
This will be contested as unconstitutional, but in cases it
will become law all Tor operators are required by law to start
logging 20090101.
20080101 :(
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:20:00PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nope, from my understanding this is not the case. Telco operators are
required to store data
they already collect, for a certain period of time. But this law doesn't
require to collect
any data at all. So for German Tor operators
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:20:00PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
nope, from my understanding this is not the case. Telco operators are
required to store data
they already collect, for a certain period of time. But this law doesn't
require to collect
any data at all. So for
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:47:11PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
which paragraph are you referring to? §113a TKG doesn't require to collect
any data. It just
requires to store already collected data for at least six months:
§113a TKG
Wer öffentlich zugängliche Telekommunikationsdienste für
Eugen Leitl schrieb:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:47:11PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
which paragraph are you referring to? §113a TKG doesn't require to collect any
data. It just
requires to store already collected data for at least six months:
§113a TKG
Wer öffentlich zugängliche
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 07:42:46PM +0100, Valen MacLeod wrote:
Heisst das jetzt, dass ich das protokollieren muss, wenn ich einen
TORserver betreiben will?
Not yet. A lot of things can and will change until 1. January 2009,
and I would definitely look for an official legal interpretation
Am Freitag, 9. November 2007 schrieb Eugen Leitl:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 07:42:46PM +0100, Valen MacLeod wrote:
Heisst das jetzt, dass ich das protokollieren muss, wenn ich
einen TORserver betreiben will?
Not yet. A lot of things can and will change until 1. January 2009,
and I would
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