Re: Effect of Upgrading O/S to the 817 database !!!

2002-11-29 Thread Sathyanaryanan_K/VGIL
If ur upgrading from nt 5 to 2000 then he first opt should work. Just install oracle on w2000 and start up the db coz the services are n nt. but if ur goin in for a fresh install of w2000, it is better to create a fresh db and import. Alternatively u can create a db with the same config of existig

Re: Table Locks

2002-11-29 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
Seems to me you should just have your program try to lock tables in exclusive mode. If it succeeds, then rollback. If it fails (timeout), it opens another session while the 'lock table' is waiting, and finds the blocker. Otherwise, if you are only interested in sessions that are actually blockin

Table Locks

2002-11-29 Thread prem
Hi, I would like to send an alert message to a client when a data row is locked for more than a certain period of time. For this can I write triggers on the system tables. If so on which table should I write a trigger to retrieve the table lock information. Are there any implications on writing

RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Richard, if pctincrease is zero, and there are a large number of contiguous smaller extents, SMON will not automatically coalesce the tablespace. However, whether or not SMON does an automatic coalesce, if you need an extent that is larger than any of the small ones, Oracle will coalesce those sma

RE: logical tuning

2002-11-29 Thread mantfield
Madhu To be perfectly honest, I had an unfair advantge as I worked in Siebel Expert Services for 2.5 years, flying all over the world, with a broom in one hand and a mop in the other, cleaning mess after mess at customer sites,where usually the integrator stuffed things up mainly due to ignora

RE: Import Table from Full Backup

2002-11-29 Thread Ron Yount
Veronica, Ah, rumors are a wonderful thing, especially if they turn out to be true in our favor. :-) Not unless it happens to be the only segment in a given tablespace. A tablespace is as granular as an RMAN restore/backup can be set. Even then, if you were to restore the tablespace to a previo

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Jeff Herrick
Jared, You're right. There's a cool diagram in the Server Concepts manual. So back to the original issue, scalabilty could be affected in a dedicated server configuration depending on how many files needed to be opened. I guess the problem could be mitigated by fewer/larger datafiles and/or MTS

RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Richard Ji
Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or ha

Re: Oracle OS level security

2002-11-29 Thread Tim Gorman
Nothing can prevent an SA from wreaking havoc. The best we can do is narrow the number of people who can and DBAs can be removed from that group, if desired... > - Original Message - > From: "Jared Still" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tim Gorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Se

Re: Do user processes apply against shmmax limit?

2002-11-29 Thread Tim Gorman
Rich, The PGA is never contained within the SGA. In all architectures and on all platforms, it resides separate. The PGA holds process-specific data structures such as the "sort area", the "hash area", and some work areas used during bitmap-index operations. In "shared-server" (formerly "multi-

RE: Import Table from Full Backup

2002-11-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Veronica - No RMAN uses its own format, so only RMAN can do anything with the files it creates. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 4:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Listers, Is it true th

RE: Monitoring Tool Evaluation methodology

2002-11-29 Thread Kader Ben
Hi Sean, Me too I'm interested into your evaluation methodology. Thanks, Kader --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hello Sean, > > Would you mind sending me your evaluation? I'm in > the process of performing > a tool evaluation also, and this material would be > invaluable. > > > Thank

Re: Recipe for application design to run on RAC

2002-11-29 Thread Tim Gorman
To be more precise, the real problems in application-partitioning for OPS/RAC are UPDATE, SELECT ... FOR UPDATE, and DELETE statements due to their WHERE clauses... A SELECT statement does not force exclusive access to a database block and so does not directly cause contention for a block in OPS/R

Import Table from Full Backup

2002-11-29 Thread Veronica Levin
Hi Listers, Is it true that I can do an import of a table from a full backup that was done with RMAN? That was a comment I heard today and doesn't make sense to me, any comments? Saludos, Veronica Levin Enriquez Compañía Cervecera de Nicaragua -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://ww

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Jared Still
On Friday 29 November 2002 08:43, Jeff Herrick wrote: > My understanding > from the question was that he was wondering whether each > user's process in a dedicated-server configuration opened > all of the datafiles too Maybe not all of the data files, but the users dedicated server process will op

RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Coalescing might

RE: How to transfer data in different NLS_CHARACTER

2002-11-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Martin - Since I don't see any reply to your question (U.S. holiday), I would start with the Oracle National Language Support Guide. >From past postings on this list, I believe that you can export the data from your American (8-bit characters) language database and import it into your Chinese (16-

RE: Effect of Upgrading O/S to the 817 database !!!

2002-11-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Jackson - It is a holiday for most of the U.S. folks, but hopefully someone will get back to you. I am on Unix myself, so of no help to you. My laptop was recently upgraded from NT to 2000 Professional, and the PC administrators said that their experience was to not upgrade the system, but to refor

Was: Recipe for application design to run on RAC, Now: Oracle nam

2002-11-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
Hemant, After having rolled out ONAMES twice in two large organizationations, it was apparent that the technicalities of ONAMES in itself is simple. It is in the compilation and reconciliation of the various entries, their variations and having to deal with the different default_domain/zone names

RE: question: about table(s) ?

2002-11-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
John - How many tables are we talking about here? In Oracle, you normally use separate schemas (usernames) to separate unrelated objects. I was just discussing this issue with developers recently. In past projects, sometimes we've ended up with many tables, but no dividing principle. Other times, w

RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Richard Ji
Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should b

RE: logical tuning

2002-11-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Madhu - Here is what I understand you to be asking: "How do I understand how my 3rd-party application works with Oracle". Here would be my tips: 1. Search for any books besides the vendor documentation. 2. Read the vendor documentation VERY carefully. Often the vendor explains very clearly how the

RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Richard Ji
How are the inserts being done? Are you doing an insert with append hint? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big

RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Paulo Gomes
did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after

Re: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Stephane Paquette
Did you insert using direct path ? If so the insert inserts after the highwater mark. The highwater mark is not reinitialized after deletes. So maybe that's why the insert failed. --- "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this > week I got a

RE: Recipe for application design to run on RAC

2002-11-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
If you're thinking of going ONAMES, consider OID. There are downsides to each, however, that you'll need to consider. 1) There is no mechanism in ONAMES to modify an alias. As per Oracle Support, you'll need to drop and recreate the alias instead. (Or you can modify the repository directly, bu

ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?

2002-11-29 Thread Miller, Jay
Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES:

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Jeff Herrick
Jeremiah I _did_ say the background oracle 'processes' meaning lgwr,dbwr,ckpt threads on Win32 specifically. My understanding from the question was that he was wondering whether each user's process in a dedicated-server configuration opened all of the datafiles too but I might have mis-under

RE: Monitoring Tool Evaluation methodology

2002-11-29 Thread Todd . R . Thompson
Hello Sean, Would you mind sending me your evaluation? I'm in the process of performing a tool evaluation also, and this material would be invaluable. Thanks, Todd "O'Neill, Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/29/2002 05:34:00 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipient

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Hemant K Chitale
You'd hit "nfile" limits on HPUX [or at least HPUX 10.xx] pretty quickly. Hemant At 06:43 AM 29-11-02 -0800, you wrote: None...only the oracle background processes (threads in Winblows) access the datafiles/logfiles etc. All other communication is done through the SGA. On some Unix variants you

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
Yes, I meant "files they need for read." No matter how many times you proofread before sending... A shadow server process would only write if it were using direct path insert /*+append*/ or sqlldr or sorting to TEMP. -- Jeremiah Wilton http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Jere

RE: Recipe for application design to run on RAC

2002-11-29 Thread Hemant K Chitale
No. Multiple application servers are for redundancy and load balancing at the ApplicationServer level. Thus, all 4 application servers do the same job and transactions coming in to them are "load balanced' by the application.  However, all 4 come in to the one database. The idea is to use both no

RE: question: about table(s) ?

2002-11-29 Thread Jack van Zanen
Hi, I think you could use different schema's to distinguish between different companies. Jack -Original Message- Sent: vrijdag 29 november 2002 2:44 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L can we arrange tables in a heirarchy form, just like we have folders and under folders we have

RE: Recipe for application design to run on RAC

2002-11-29 Thread Hemant K Chitale
No one here [including me !] knows Oracle Names or OID. There's a profusion of TNSNAMES.ORA files for various databases and applications but not Oracle Names. I've been thinking and thinking of Oracle Names for a year and haven't got around to it . [I guess you'll think twice before hiring me as

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Jeff Herrick wrote: > None...only the oracle background processes (threads in Winblows) > access the datafiles/logfiles etc. All other communication is > done through the SGA. On some Unix variants you _can_ reach > a file_open max kernel parameter because each process (in a >

Re: LGWR using lots of CPU time, low CPU usage

2002-11-29 Thread orafaq
I am that specific customer for whom that bug was opened. If you need more information on this then let me know. This issue is still being worked on by the group which wrote 9idataguard and the problem is not diagnosed yet. What we noticed was that some archiver-rfs transfer processes become extre

RE: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Grant Allen
Thanks Jeff. The more I thought of it, the more I thought this had to be the case (e.g. only SMON, PMON, ARCH, etc. actually handled file access), but the topic raised just enough curiosity in my mind to seek another opinion. Ciao Fuzzy :-) > None...only the oracle background processes (threads

Re: question: about table(s) ?

2002-11-29 Thread Stephane Paquette
I would not advise anybody to create objects using a graphical tools, rely on scripts instead. You can separate tables in a physical way and in a logical way. Physically you can use schemas and tablespaces to separate tables. Logically , use a good naming convention and then organise your stuff.

RE: Do user processes apply against shmmax limit?

2002-11-29 Thread Connor McDonald
Jay, My column counting skills might be off, but it looks like the 'sr' stat is 0 most of the time, and scan rate is the stat that I use to see if a machine is memory starved. Priority paging is a very good idea, but you'll probably see even more benefit if you can mount your oracle file systems

Re: Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Jeff Herrick
None...only the oracle background processes (threads in Winblows) access the datafiles/logfiles etc. All other communication is done through the SGA. On some Unix variants you _can_ reach a file_open max kernel parameter because each process (in a dedicated server scenario) opens it's own stdin/st

RE: Do user processes apply against shmmax limit?

2002-11-29 Thread Rich Holland
Jay, My understanding is that the PGA is contained within the SGA, and that shmmax is the "maximum size of a single shared memory segment". If you set shmmax to 256MB and configure 1GB SGA, you should see it allocate 4 shared memory segments for that purpose. Some Unix variants have limitations

Effect of Upgrading O/S to the 817 database !!!

2002-11-29 Thread Jackson Dumas
Hi We are currently running Oracle 817 database on a Windows NT, version 5, service pack 6. We need to upgrade O/S to Windows 2000. What should we do on the database side, do we need to do a new Oracle 817 software installation after upgrading O/S and try to startup the database or do we need to d

Re: a PL/SQL design question.

2002-11-29 Thread Connor McDonald
Similarly, if you only want the procedure to be run IF the base transaction does a commit then you can use dbms_job (because the job submission process is part of the same txn) hth connor --- Stephane Faroult <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrey Bronfin wrote: > > Dear gurus! > > I'm looking for

Oracle on windows and shadow thread file access

2002-11-29 Thread Grant Allen
Saw an interesting post in comp.databases.oracle.server postulating that if a shadow thread needed an open file handle on all files in a instance (or even some of them), the process handle limit in windows could constrain user scalability (e.g. too many users would result in ora-12500 unable to spa

FW: logical tuning

2002-11-29 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana
Dennis & Ferenc, Your discussion is a good read ... You guys are able to understand how your applications are working WITH Oracle, like using RULE/COST optimizer , Table Scans and also how it is using the Oracle capabilities. I also wanted to know more about the application running on top of Oracl

RE: Monitoring Tool Evaluation methodology

2002-11-29 Thread O'Neill, Sean
Hi there, If you are interested I can send you a word document which I used to select and evaluate an Oracle monitoring tool solution which might be useful for adapting to your needs. We're an NT/W2K site. BTW, we choose Quest I/Watch as our solution. Did not come across eHurkha product during

Re: Security Focus Link - SQL Injection White Paper

2002-11-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
Interesting. Thanks. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:54 PM > SQL Injection and Oracle - By Pete Finnigan > > This is the first article in a two-part series that will examine SQL > i

Re: Replication Manager

2002-11-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
Building replication is usually somewhat lengthy process. I spent sometime with an Oracle expert and built a skeleton script to build my replication via sqlplus. However, I use the replication manager to track the progress of the build process and to check the results. Yechiel Adar Mehish - O

Re: redo log file setup with mirrored drives

2002-11-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
Hello Guang >From your note about weekly one day long import I think that you are dealing with DW. 1) Am I correct? 2) Are there other updates to the database while the import is in progress? Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECT

Performance on TRU64 Cluster

2002-11-29 Thread Rajesh Dayal
Hi Guys, We are in the process of configuring Oracle 9i Release 2 on TRU64 Cluster (2 ES40s with RA3000, with SCSI cluster N/W no FC Channel ). So far we have done just the installation( No database creation). The problem is that System looks very slow. Perform is perfectly OK when you pe

Re: question: about table(s) ?

2002-11-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
On windows you can use the DBA console/OEM console (on 9i): select the database then go to space->tablespaces. Right click on tablespaces you get: Create. Or - read about the create tablespace command in the manual. (which you need to do anyway to understand what the GUI is doing). Yechiel Adar

Re: patches

2002-11-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
Title: Pro*C for Oracle 817 on Win2000? We only apply patches as needed and where needed. For example: I had a problem with export taking a long time on one system. I installed a patch for this problem (after testing in test environment of course) only on that database.   My motto is: If it a