Re: Do you ever have days where you dont want to think ?

2002-05-20 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Stephane, I *did* warn you about the OT list before I approved your registration on it.. btw, this sounds like it should have gone private, not to the list Rachel |+---> || | || | ||

Re: Do you ever have days where you dont want to think ?

2002-05-20 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
as one of the women in this profession, do I want to know who you consider "honorary men"? :) What I do want to know is how you determine what the criteria are for being an "honorary man". Inquiring minds want to know :) Rachel |+---> ||

Re: Compressing Export Dumps

2002-05-16 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
way back (7.3 version) I wrote a set of scripts to export to a pipe, split and compress the split files.. It was based on the Metalink doc and I *think* copies of them are still out on the archives on www.lazydba.com but now, when you can split files via export, so the split is done by Oracle a

RE: Compressing Export Dumps / WinZip

2002-05-16 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
there is a BIG difference between the "COMPRESS=Y" parameter on an export and compressing a file! the parameter changes the "create table" statement placed in the export file so that the initial extent is large enough to hold the entire table. It does NOT affect the size of the export dump file

Re: Compressing Export Dumps

2002-05-16 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
If you are on Unix, you can pipe the export into a "split" command and break the file into multiples and compress on the fly. There's a note on metalink about it (note 30528.1) Also, I *think* in 8.1.7 you can specify the size and names of the export files, so that Oracle will automatically bre

Re: Deadlock ORA-60

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
true -- but 99% of the time, it's in the application code (and you listed 4, not 3, additional reasons :) ) |+---> || | || | || kaygopal@yaho| || o.com| |

RE: How to drop a datafile from a tablespace quickly

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
no you can't recompile them... I tried that once, the recompiled procedure referenced the renamed (old) table it's the object_id thing. Oracle doesn't care what you name or rename an object, it tracks it by the object_id. Trust me, it screwed up triggers etc. real pita |+--

Re: Deadlock ORA-60

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
the problem is in the application code... find the sql (it's in the trace files) and start from there |+---> || | || | || oracledbam@ho| || tmail.com| ||

RE: How to drop a datafile from a tablespace quickly

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
there is a hardware problem that necessitated Oracle coming down. the only question is does the database come down cleanly when YOU want it to or does it come down with a crash, time undetermined, when the file is accessed? |+---> ||

RE: How to drop a data file from a tablespace quickly

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
ashoke, that's going to corrupt his database.. at some point. If you do that, you'd better be willing to immediately shutdown, recreate the tablespace and then do a backup |+-> || | ||

Re:How to drop a datafile from a tablespace quickly

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
It's not just grants. Any procedure that references that table will have to be recreated, oracle uses object_id not object_name so the procedure will point to the old table etc etc you CAN try to resize the datafile down to something really small, smaller than the smallest extent if possible,

Re: Order rows

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
I suppose you can if you don't care about wasted disk space, I know everyone says "disk is cheap" but that's only until you explain to your manager that you need a 100GB disk for a 10GB (real used space) database because you are forcing order by storing each row in one block and never reusing sp

RE: Order rows

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
that works unless there is also a reason to see insert not just in order but by "inserted on a particular date or time". I suppose in that case, add two fields, a date field for the time range and a numeric field for the sequence of insert |+---> ||

Re: Order rows

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Do you want to physically order them or do you just want to know by time the order in which they were entered. if the first, no, not that I know of. If the later, yes, add another column (ins_date date) and a trigger to populate that column with sysdate when you insert a row. You can then order

RE: list of events

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
You can use the oerr facility on Unix to look at the events... I don't know if that file exists under Windows, I vaguely recall a conversation on the list a while ago where people were saying it didn't. I know that I downloaded the file from my Unix box to my PC so I'd have a copy. Anyone out t

RE: list of events

2002-05-15 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
yeah, but it's confusing when you look at that file... |+---> || | || | || Rajendra.Jamadagn| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ||

RE: list of events

2002-05-14 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
actually that's the list of error messages, not events and it's not under the admin directory in any case the path to the error messages is: $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/mesg/roaus.msg |+---> || | ||

Re: Create synonyms in externally authenticated user's schema

2002-05-13 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
log on using an account with CREATE ANY SYNONYM privs and create the synonym as: create .synonym for |+--> || | || | || Beth.Seefelt@tet| || leyusa.co

Re: A trigger vs. "default value" in a table

2002-05-13 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
a default value. |+-> || | || | || andreyb@elronte| || lesoft.com | || | || 05/13/2002 | ||

RE: Good HR vs. Bad HR...

2002-05-13 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
give me a break! It took me 25+ years to get to the point where I have a group who will listen to me. And that's only one small group in the larger group I support, I doubt I'll be that lucky across the board |+---> || | ||

Re: why does DBCA (DB Create Assist) reassign default tablesepace

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
That's CORRECT... no one other than SYS should have the SYSTEM tablespace as the default tablespace. No one should have SYSTEM as the temporary tablespace. for years oracle would say "change the default tablespace". Now they do it for you (and about bloodly time!) |+

RE: Rman ... what do YOU need

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Dennis, It's possible the version you have was corrected. I know that it was the first printing that had some serious, unintentinal omissions I think only in the first few chapters. What really hurts the author is when they catch the error, send the correction in in time to be fixed for th

Re:Oracle Diagnostic and Tuning Packs

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
supposedly no additional cost in 9i, but when I checked Oracle's store, there was a $20 charge for each. Considering that for 7.3 and 8.0 they were $100 for EVERY NAMED USER, regardless of how many people were actually going to use them, that's "no cost" :) |+--->

RE: Rman ... what do YOU need

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know

Re: Good HR vs. Bad HR...

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Don, Next time I need to resign, will you help me write the letter? Having worked at several large and not-so large companies, all I can say is, the problems you documented seem to be ubiquitous throughout most management. I have found it nearly impossible in some places to do my job with any

Re: script to show heirarchical list of object dependencies for a

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
How is this essentially different than what you can get from utldtree.sql? when Kevin Loney and I were writing the Annotated Archives a few years ago, I tried to write a script that would show the dependencies, because part of the reason for the book was to provide "home-grown" scripts that wre

RE: optimizer not using function based indexes

2002-05-10 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
And I respectfully agree that I was wrong :)It happens, I think I already posted a note to the list apologizing and correcting my error. This is what happens when I post from memory without double checking obviously I had done a "flush" of my shared_pool! Rachel |+---

RE: optimizer not using function based indexes

2002-05-09 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
and stats have to have been collected on the index and base table as well just checked the 9i docs... I was wrong you do need the upper on the column, my bad.. but you need the stats, the compatibility set (as Beth says) |+--> ||

Re: optimizer not using function based indexes

2002-05-09 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
you don't need the upper(ename) in your where clause... that forces oracle to NOT use an index |+-> || | || | || Harvinder.Singh@met| || ratech.com

Re: DBA_EXTENTS problem

2002-05-09 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
I knew someone on the list would have it :) thanks Suzy. actually, I'd do dbms_stats.delete_schema_stats('SYS') this time through to fix the problem and then change the dbms_stats command to dbms_stats.gather_schema_stats instead of database |+---> ||

RE: DBA_EXTENTS problem

2002-05-09 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
analyzing SYSTEM is not the same as analyzing SYS, which is what you have done by using gather_database_stats run dbms_stats.delete_schema_stats('SYS') to remove the statistics then either always run the delete after the gather_database_stats or switch to gather_schema_stats |+

Re: Cloning Question

2002-05-09 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
In some versions of Oracle, you need a SECOND rollback segment created in the SYSTEM tablespace in order to create another tablespace. It can't hurt to add it (you can drop it immediately after you get the rollback tablespace created) but it could be the solution. Since you didn't include the

Re: DBA_EXTENTS problem

2002-05-09 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
that's interesting... since the data dictionary is NOT analyzed, setting optimizer_mode=choose would force the query against dba_extents to RULE which it what it is supposed to be doing anyway, Hm. The question now is, what is the optimizer_mode set to when the problem happens? Did any of the da

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-07 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
it stops me. I refuse to deliberately look like an idiot... I do enough damage inadvertently |+---> || | || | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || ms.osd.mil

Re: Good DBA vs. Bad DBA

2002-05-07 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
HEY! I resent that. ask the last person who worked for me, I think I was a pretty good manager! |+---> || | || | || bthater2@nets| || cape.net | ||

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-07 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
you people are soo funny. Writing a book takes time, hard work and more energy than I care to commit to the project.. especially on a subject with which I have zero experience |+---> || | || | |

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-07 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
won't be me... why don't YOU write one and then talk to me about the joys of authorship (says the woman going blind looking a page proofs that are totally messed up) |+---> || | || | || c

Re: 9i Automatic UNDO bugs

2002-05-07 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
I know Joe Testa blew up his DB with it... it was in the initial release and was supposedly fixed in the patchsets |+---> || | || | || optimaldba@ya| || hoo.com | |

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-06 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
nuh uh, for two reasons, the first and foremost being, there already IS one the second is that I have no plans to write any new books |+---> || | || | || cgrabowy@fcg.| ||

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-06 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
I've always been a cynic about storage -- too much is never enough. |+--> || | || | || JayMiller@tdwate| || rhouse.com | ||

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-06 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Right now I'm collecting information.. I don't KNOW what this will be.. other than a "learning experience" of course. That which does not kill us makes us strong, right? rachel, anticipating great strength |+---> || | ||

Re: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-06 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Yechiel, have you used their tools? We are trying to decide whether or not to use them, so if anyone has had recent experience with them, I'd appreciate your thoughts on ease of use, understandability, quality of the product, etc Thanks Rachel |+---> ||

RE: Datawarehousing help

2002-05-06 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Dennis, Forgetting about normalization won't be a problem, I've always been more practical than "by the book". As for amounts of data being collected, I can see them wanting data aggregated hourly. I greatly doubt the tech people will allow adhoc queries, they seem to "do things right" here. W

Datawarehousing help

2002-05-03 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Okay, my background is OLTP, but we are looking at a data warehousing project here any and all help appreciated! Specifically: 1) does anyone have any experience with a product called "SAS Datawarehousing Administrator" (or SAS)? 2) how do I go about doing rough estimates of sizing needs,

Re: DB Size

2002-05-03 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
you really might want to read the manuals -- specifically the reference manual on dba_data_files select sum(bytes) from dba_data_files will tell you the total size (in bytes) of all the datafiles in your database. There will also be space used by the control files, redo log files, archived log

Re: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
You could talk to your sales rep about short-term licensing, or you could just do it and hope they don't discover it. I've found that "temporary servers" have a tendency to become permanent though. |+---> || | ||

Re: Advice on going about a minor upgrade.

2002-05-02 Thread Rachel_Carmichael
Option 4: Install 8.1.7 shutdown the database change ORACLE_HOME etc etc to point to the 8.1.7 ORACLE_HOME startup the database You shouldn't have to rebuild the database when moving to a minor release Rachel |+---> || | ||