Lyndon writes
> > It doesn't mean they can think through a production
> > database
> > crash recovery, deal with users, etc.
> >
>
> No amount of training, exam taking or even experience can prepare you
> with any of this.
Both training *and* experience can help with this. The latter more than
th
OK,
done with OT.
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RE: RE: Value of OCP
If
the ladies can't find you handsome, at least let them find you
handy!
Title: RE: RE: Value of OCP
You sure that isn't spackle you are talking about?
Oracle OCP DBA
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> to scrape it off & another two weeks for the skin to heal.
>
> Dick Goulet
>
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> Subject:RE: RE: Value of OCP
> Author: Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 3/20/2003 11:18 AM
>
>
Rachel,
You didn't glue your fingers together, now did you??
Did that many years ago. We were using super glue, the older slower drying
stuff, to hold a gasket on the bottom of a radar beacon case. Well using an
open top bottle and flux brush to apply that stuff is messy at best. Got j
remind me to tell you about my glue-gun related accident.. never ever
try to brush the hot glue off your hand!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Personally I like the old glue gun - well okay, watch out for
> electricity
> surges whilst deploying the glue gun method. However, really useful
> for
>
Title: RE: RE: Value of OCP
Personally I like the old glue gun - well okay, watch out for electricity
surges whilst deploying the glue gun method. However, really useful for
most kid related things - wip up a costume in no time, fix that plastic toy,
diaper to cheap to stick - the glue gun
Title: Message
If the
ladies can't find you handsome, at least let them find you
handy!
-Original Message-From: Orr, Steve
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Red
Title: RE: RE: Value of OCP
Red Green, my hero!!!
http://www.ducttapeforever.com/forever.html
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Good
Title: RE: Value of OCP
I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA. I had been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification. It was based on my personal reputation, experience, network and interview. Those I believe
Quoting Stephen Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > -Original Message-
> > Did you learn anything from the previous crash to prevent it from
>
> > happening again?
> >
>
> Yes. Duct tape the power cord to the floor.
>
Whoa!
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> -Original Message-
> Did you learn anything from the previous crash to prevent it from
> happening again?
>
Yes. Duct tape the power cord to the floor.
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Quoting Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> well the last one we had, I learned that I need to teach the
> sysadmins
> to verify that they are not assigning two volumes to the same
> physical
> disk! :)
>
Ooops! duh!
> yea I learn techniques, and things to check and not to panic no
> matter
well the last one we had, I learned that I need to teach the sysadmins
to verify that they are not assigning two volumes to the same physical
disk! :)
yea I learn techniques, and things to check and not to panic no matter
who is breathing down my neck to get the database back up
experience tea
On March 19, 2003 05:23 pm, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> trust me, experience helps you think through a production crash --
> especially if it crashes in the same way as it did the last time :)
>
Did you learn anything from the previous crash to prevent it from
happening again?
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Lyndon Tiu
--
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trust me, experience helps you think through a production crash --
especially if it crashes in the same way as it did the last time :)
--- Lyndon Tiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > Rachel,
> >
> > I agree. I'll always take real world experience over a
> > certificat
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Rachel,
>
> I agree. I'll always take real world experience over a
> certificate. The
> certificate means a person knows how to recite specific answers to
> specific
> questions. It doesn't mean they can think through a production
> database
> crash recovery, deal w
>
> All the certification proves is that you can take a standardized
> multiple choice test. It tells NOTHING about the intelligence or
> ability to think and reason of the certificate holder.
>
> I'm fairly sure my hands-on experience with Oracle is what has really
> gotten me jobs. None of my
ople have said so and so has an OCP so they know what
they are doing.
Ive also seen some jobs that require OCPs. Not tons, but a few.
>
> From: Lyndon Tiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/19 Wed PM 02:10:42 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL
they are doing.
Ive also seen some jobs that require OCPs. Not tons, but a few.
>
> From: Lyndon Tiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/19 Wed PM 02:10:42 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Value of OCP
>
> Depe
I don't think that getting OCP certification is any guarantee of a pay
raise unless it is in the initial requirements for the particular job or
in the yearly review requirements.
I hold my OCP certifications for my own satisfaction and well being
not for the advantage of my employer. It is some th
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> Date: 2003/03/19 Wed PM 02:10:42 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Value of OCP
>
> Depends on the orginazation.
>
> Some organizations are rigid seniority based traditionaly managed
> where it does not
> anything? It means the person took time to study and pass a test. It
well, not even that really. I made it a point of pride to neither study
nor take classes for certification. I passed the Chauncey test (the
original 7.3 OCP before Oracle took it back), the two upgrade exams for
OCP 7.3, the up
Certifications are good for self marketing just like a degree from a
prestigious school. Does a certification mean
anything? It means the person took time to study and pass a test. It shows
a little dedication. A certification by itself means the individual
is competent enough for an entry level jo
Depends on the orginazation.
Some organizations are rigid seniority based traditionaly managed
where it does not matter if you have a PhD or not. If you've been with
the company 10 years, then you get a raise and get to do neat things.
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Lyndon Tiu
Quoting Pete Sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
Same with me for 7.3 to 9i OCP , no increment even no reimbursement of test
fees either.
Regards
Rafiq
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:35:32 -0800
Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my manager! Af
Know what... OCP didn't get me one, either... but Mine is just ocp and just
8 and 8i (9i in a few weeks)
ajw
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Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my manager! After going
through
Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my manager! After going
through the 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i OCP AND the OCM, I don't think any of them
got me a pay increase! ;)
Pete
"Controlling developers is like herding cats."
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
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