I demand to know who the other one is!
Mogens
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
you leave me such straight lines :)
which part is qualified as an accountant?
you volunteer to be the sacrificial lamb? Hm, masochist?
Before Jared tries to send everyone over to my list on this topic, I'll
try to brin
my lips are sealed...
--- Mogens_Nørgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I demand to know who the other one is!
>
> Mogens
>
> Rachel Carmichael wrote:
>
> >you leave me such straight lines :)
> >
> >which part is qualified as an accountant?
> >
> >you volunteer to be the sacrificial lamb?
Well, so here's the challenge for RMOUG training days - loosening Rachel's lips.
Who's gonna join me in this endeavour? :)
Pete
"Controlling developers is like herding cats."
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
"Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!"
Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle
Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> Well, so here's the challenge for RMOUG training days - loosening
> Rachel's lips. Who's gonna join me in this endeavour? :)
oh i have several methods i'd like to try.;-)
--
Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA
"I'm going to work my
Hi,
This is from a metalink note 1039341.6. It is about 'DEFAULT STORAGE'. I do not know if the OCP question was regarding that.
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Use the following guidelines to specify DEFAULT STORAGE: Set INITIAL=NEXT.Since a process always writes data equal to SORT_AREA_SIZE to a
Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:29:25 AM, Rachel Carmichael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
RC> I successfully use "drop tablespace including contents and datafiles"
RC> all the time. And a quick check of the docs shows that "cascade
RC> constraints" is valid but, as Richard said, belongs at the end of th
Hi Richard ,
Many a thanx for both of your replies .
All my worry is : do such questions appear in the real exams also ?
And your reply has increased my self-confidence.
particularly the line :
Trust what you *see*, not what you *read*.
You actually proven this yourself and yet you still h
Thanx for your reply Gennick.
..and for your word of caution about partitioned tables.
Cary , sometime back said that :
There are always two answers to a question that your
teacher would ask at school .
First one is the right answer.
Second one is the answer that your teacher would exp
Ryan> People don't seem to be all that interested in
Ryan> whether you can actually do the job.
Ryan , i would change your first line as "Some people don't seem to ...
"
Because some people really DO care about what one can do.
Ryan> They just assume your better than someone
Ryan> else if you
Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 9:39:25 AM, Prem Khanna J ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
PKJ> Many a thanx for both of your replies .
PKJ> All my worry is : do such questions appear in the real exams also ?
I think you've hit on something key here, and that is that
practice exams may not be reflective
Hi list , thanx a lot to all of you .
i cleared the #1Z0-031 exam last week .
thanx again for all the support given by you friends.
Kind Regards,
Prem.
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I didn't mean to scold... you post way more information than I usually
do!
And I answer whilst eating breakfast at times too :)
Richard *is* right, the problem is, the sql statement is misformed but
the answer key says it will work. Which is yet another reason I dislike
the OCP exams.
--- Jonat
A small but growing number of employers want certification. Considering the
job market, I recommend anyone who is not at Rachel's, etc.. level to get
certified as both a developer and a DBA. I'm doing Java also, just to have
it. The java test is a total joke. You only need to get 52% right and its
Title: RE: Re[2]: another OCP question -- help me guys
Uh No one can be at Rachel's level. She's the DBA Goddess
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From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subje
Michael Abbey once said (I'm paraphrasing here) "the resume and OCP get
you in the door. It's your experience that gets you the job and keeps
you there"
We've had numerous discussions on this list about interview questions.
I've been on interviews where I spent an entire day (9-4) and talked to
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Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> Oh yeah -- how does having a college degree in art history make a
> person a better DBA? how does my degree, which is in computer science
> but which is 28 years old, have anything to do with current
> programming and database work?
it
degrees and ocps often do alot more than get you past the HR department.
most jobs these days are short term temp jobs. temp companies offer you
salary based mainly on your resume.
most technical interviews are a joke. I can make more money if I double my
experience level and have a computer scien
On 01/07/2004 10:19:25 AM, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> Oh yeah -- how does having a college degree in art history make a
> person a better DBA? how does my degree, which is in computer science
> but which is 28 years old, have anything to do with current programming
> and database work?
Believe i
My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying
what is correct? Or is it necessary to work harder to acquire some
"veneer of false knowledge" specifically in order to pass the exam?
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com
Upcoming events:
- Performance D
I do understand, and that's why I said that I tried to bring people in
first, before HR (as you know)
--- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
>
> > Oh yeah -- how does having a college degree in art history make a
> > person
Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> I do understand, and that's why I said that I tried to bring people in
> first, before HR (as you know)
yup, but most places don't have a Goddess on staff.;-) and i'm seeing the
requirement for OCP being listed in consulting postings
for performance tuning exam you have to know some garbage.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:59 AM
> My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying
> what is correct? Or is it ne
Misconceptions, superstitions and myths are always useful to know
and believe in. They make people better socialized and the risk
of being burnt at stake as a heretic(metaphorically, of course)
is much lower.
On 01/07/2004 10:59:26 AM, Cary Millsap wrote:
> Or is it necessary to work harder to a
>From past history:
I passed the 8 and 8i exams without having done any work in either
version, nor did I study for them. I used Jonathan's method of using
later questions to infer the answer to earlier ones, in part. Marlene
Theriault, an excellent DBA, took several tries to pass because she
knew
Now I understand their use, I shall immediately go out and hire an art
history major as the deparmental sacrifical lamb (and dartboard while
we are at it)
I'm still a hands-on DBA, although I have some paperwork
responsibilities as well. Not management, other than my own work :)
Rachel
--- Mlade
Wasn't it you, Cary, who got tought by his parents that every question has
two answers: The right one and the one the teacher wants to hear? And you
had to learn them both?
That's merely what OCP is about, I think. Get a certificate to get hired,
and get the proper knowledge to remain hired ;-)
Title: RE: Re[2]: another OCP question -- help me guys
brutal, absolutely brutal...
Rachel, can ya out-source your sacrificial lamb for our use as well:-)
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From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:54 AM
To: Multiple
Rachel,
A few years ago I was offered a job by a defense contractor in the area who
was looking for a DBA, but more importantly a DBA with a still active clearance. Well
all was well in 90% of that company, except HR. Simple answer, no degree no job. I
don't have the degree so they a
Yes, I was the one. I was just wondering whether the OCP performance
exam was really as bad as it used to be. I haven't seen it since
whatever the things were called back in the early 90s. From some of what
I've seen here, the answer is that yes it is the same. Not just
philosophically the same, bu
or from the other side: the right one, and the one pig-headed students are
convinced is right (even if you can incontrovertably demonstrate they are
wrong). Does that make three answers? or two answers with three labels?
Henry
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what you lose in worth you gain in self-worth.
Henry
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Ryan
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degrees and ocps often do alot more than get you past the HR department.
most jobs these days are short term temp jobs. temp
I know it makes no sense... but it has something to do with a (very)
antiquated "class" system and the difference between white-collar
workers and blue-collar workers and salary vs hourly wages
for the non-US, the term "white collar worker" refers to office staff,
who would wear a white shirt and
the pl/sql exam is really bad too. It got worse from 8i to 9i. 10% of the
exam was on DBMS_LOB and no other packages were touched? I had about 6-7
questions on parameter ordering.
Its accurate, just useless.
I thought the architecture test wasn't bad at all. The 8i backup and
recovery one was 'ok
Rachel writes
> Now I understand their use, I shall immediately go out and
> hire an art history major as the deparmental sacrifical lamb
> (and dartboard while we are at it)
Hey I have an *economics* degree, *and* am a part-qualified accountant. I
claim that sacrificial lamb position as my own.
you leave me such straight lines :)
which part is qualified as an accountant?
you volunteer to be the sacrificial lamb? Hm, masochist?
Before Jared tries to send everyone over to my list on this topic, I'll
try to bring it at least slightly back on topic. I really don't care
if someone has
Hi all
I have a problem with a lot of the commentary on the OCP that I have read
here and elsewhere, especially that which focusses on specific questions and
the, ahem, 'product features' associated with them. My problem is this. To
me the OCP, or rather the OU courses and the associated revision
> My guess would be that one could pass the exam just by working with Oracle
> for a couple of years and comparing that to some practice questions, one
True. I took the beta OCP tests in 1997, with about 150 questions
per test. They were free at OOW, so it seemed like a good price.
Three years
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> P.S. I can work powerpoint too.
Close your Powerpoint.exe and S L O W L Y back away from the keyboard and nobody gets
hurt ...
Raj
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at
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> My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying
> what is correct? Or is it necessary to work harder to acquire some
> "veneer of false knowl
Hi Prem
Comments in line.
> Hi Richard ,
>
> Many a thanx for both of your replies .
> All my worry is : do such questions appear in the real exams also ?
Although there are certainly some dodgy questions and correspondingly suz
answers, I think you'll find the majority of the OCP exam will hav
Richard Foote scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> So in short Cary, you have a fair to average chance of passing the
> exams :)
that's Ok for Cary, what about us mere mortals?;-)
--
Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA
"I'm going to work my ticket if I can..." -- Gilwell song
Prem - We had no doubt. I always figure when you've studied enough to doubt
your study guide, you're ready to pass the exam.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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