Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Artur F. Silva
[I sent some messages to the list, some time ago, and I have received them back except this one, that I am resending. Sorry if you have received wo copies of it - Artur] --- Dear OS-comunity: [Sorry if this message disturbs some of you] At 14:17 26-09-2001, John Dicus wrote: (...) Sh

Sun Tzu

2001-09-28 Thread Judi Richardson
I honor moving the conversation to another place, and thank all those who have shared so much with us all in this place. As the conversation moves, I offer the following written by a friend for a local newspaper, following the teachings of Sun Tzu. Terrorism's Trojan Horse. As the American ex

Re: Sun Tzu

2001-09-28 Thread william becker
Try this one on for size: America is now prepared to shoot down our own citizens should they be on a high jacked plane. Meanwhile, the terrorist hide behind their women and children and like Sadahm will "take the form of families" and then reappear once the dust is settled. They also in essence w

Re: Sun Tzu

2001-09-28 Thread Esther .
Judi: I don't think we should be shooting anyone! What if the U.S. said to the Taliban, "Let us work with you to help your country's poverty to go away." In the words of Chris' daughter, "We feed them!" Esther Ewing The Change Alliance Toronto Line: 416-209-0481 New York Line: 212-661-6024 330 E

Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Meg Salter
Yes, I acknowledge that for it can be a good time to move some of the more focused conversations to a different room - eg BigMind, Caucus... For me personally, having the volume of messages pop up whenever I open my e-mail is both sometimes a bit overwhelming - AND also easy to engage in - one

Re: circle of support

2001-09-28 Thread Jeff Aitken
I struggle with what I wrote. I do not want to pretend to be a moral arbiter of what is appropriate for this list. And I do not want to walk away from the importance of what Sept 11 has opened up in the world, and what the US has to learn, and offer. I think I wanted to offer a "mindfulness bell",

Crimson Fern

2001-09-28 Thread Toni Petrinovich
As most of you know, Marti and I are taking over the space now occupied by the Crimson Fern. Natalie is having a very BIG sale during the Month of October. If there is anything that you ever wanted there, or if you don't know and wonder if there is, NOW is the time to buy. What is there now m

Re: circle of support, and a story

2001-09-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Friends-- My heartfelt thanks to everyone who has shared feelings, perspectives, forwarded many different viewpoints in the last two and a half weeks. It has been wonderful to have voices from around the world and a variety of windows through which to view the terrorist attacks. The magnitude of

Re: Sun Tzu

2001-09-28 Thread Judi Richardson
Hi Esther: I could not agree with you and Aine more about "feeding them", and certainly not shooting them. I passed on the article a Buddhist friend wrote -- aware that there is great symbolism in langage. Shooting and the word enemy in that article pushed big buttons for me -- delightfully s

Re: Feeding Them

2001-09-28 Thread Kay Lindahl
As a follow up to feeding them: The headline for an article in the Sept.27th edition of the Orange County Register reads: U.S. Might Airlift Food. Direct quote: The Defense Department has abeen quietly putting together a parallel plan alongside its war scenario that calls for a massive airdrop

Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Peggy Holman
Artur writes: I read this initial message about the turtle and though it was very well observed, and I prepared myself to see the answers. Who would speak for the ones that have no voice in the "council circle"; the ones who's land one wants to occupy or to bomb (the ones that were once the nat

Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Heidi and Dan Chay
Hi, When I go there (http://conference.tmn.com/~tmn/caucus.html) myself, I don't see any signs of "Turtle (way of the warrior)" or other threads in this vein as we have experienced originating in the last month. Am I lost? I wonder, too, is the bulletin-board format as conducive to learning-

Re: Fw: Boris Kagarlitsky, Moscow Times

2001-09-28 Thread Artur F. Silva
[This position, from a Russian sociologist, worths reading. I don't know if it makes any sense or not; you will know better, I think - Artur] "Bin Laden? Better Be Sure" by Boris Kagarlitsky, Moscow Times The terrorist attack on New York has already been com

Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Artur F. Silva
At 21:41 28-09-2001, Peggy Holman wrote: Thanks for this, Artur. While I mentioned specifically what you called "the wolf within us", I want very much to also hear the voices of the ones who's land one wants to occupy or to bomb (the ones that were once the native Americans, later from Vietnam,

Fw: Le Monde Diplo - Octobre 2001 - Effet boomerang

2001-09-28 Thread Artur F. Silva
[It has been published in France the issue of October of the newspaper "Le Monde Diplomatique", the most prestigious european newspaper on international affairs. The English version will be published soon as a suplement of "The Guardian Weekly", UK, and then it will also be available at http://www

Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way

2001-09-28 Thread BJ Peters
Harrison-- Thank you for this. It speaks to me more than anything I've read in the past two weeks, because it helps me get in touch with my ability to hold all perspectives in my mind and heart at the same time - at least for a few moments. . . Namasté --BJ BJ Peters "Darkness cannot drive out d

Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Michael Herman
dan, there are no signs of the conversation because it hasn't started there yet. the listserv doesn't get posted there. and as far as learning in the metanet environment... i learned openspace there from a whole bunch of brilliant people... fastest, deepest learning experience i can remember eve

Re: Turtle (way of warrior)

2001-09-28 Thread Heidi and Dan Chay
Thanks Michael, Your experience sounds promising. I just went back and scanned around again. Some of the old Openspace threads (the most recent I saw was posted last May) are interesting, particularly by way of better getting to know the good handful of you who posted frequently. I'm happy