Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Funda Oral
Artur and Harrison, Maybe i have to explain that also...i have nothing to do with religion in my daily life...taking my decisions or in the way i livei grew up and educated like that. Turkey is still a "laic" country hopefully so the rule that Artur mentioned; "religion MUST be separated

Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Funda Oral
Harrison and Artur, I agree with Artur when he says "the love for humanity should be the only thing to refer on that matter " According to me doing something for "the love of humanity" or for "the love of Allah" or " for the love of christ" "to serve humans" or "to serve religion" have compl

Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Funda Oral
Dear Peggy, I forwarded these two web sites to some friends to make them see how young people can be active because we were currently discussing about some similar projects. http://jrmd.org/. www.hol.edu/aax But they are asking if these organizations promote peace or do they aim to promote chris

RE: My third OS-Event and Stammtisch in Köln?

2005-01-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Carlos -- Working too hard are you? I know the feeling, but when I felt that way myself it usually turned out that I was working too hard trying to make things right, whatever "right" might mean. In your case, it sounded like you had to come up with "results." And not only results -- but results of

Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Peggy Holman
Funda, I can't answer your question directly because I don't know. They certainly promote peace. Beyond that, the best I can do is send Mike Seymour's trip report from his visit to Burundi. (below) I'm glad you found the ideas of value. from cold, rainy Seattle, Peggy August 28, 2004 Mike

Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Artur Silva
Funda Oral wrote « Moreover, i really wish that we (humanity) come to a point where the well being of humanity comes first before anything (allah, god, christ, mohamed etc...)». As I am a bit more radical (and impolite) than Funda, I would rephrase as follows: Moreover, i really wish

Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Funda -- since the organizations involved are Christian, I would guess that something about the Love of Christ might show up -- but I think you could substitute the Love of Allah and arrive at the same place. Actually I think the love humanity would do just as well. I really don't think anybody has

Re: Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

2005-01-15 Thread Artur Silva
Funda and Harrison: Harrison Owen wrote: Funda -- since the organizations involved are Christian, I would guess that something about the Love of Christ might show up -- but I think you could substitute the Love of Allah and arrive at the same place. Actually I think the love humanity would do jus

Re: A question about OS listserv

2005-01-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Artur – thanks for sharing the fruits of your study. Most interesting and very helpful. There is one point, however where I might take issue. That is the suggestion that the list is fundamentally American. I would agree that it is basically English Language, but American, No. Just for the heck of i

Re: Nescience, Nichtwissen and Open Space

2005-01-15 Thread Artur Silva
Harrison: Thanks for sharing your new paper and for asking for comments. I will make one general (and maybe provocative?) comment, and some more specific observations that you may want to use to make complements or if later you decide to enlarge this paper to make a full book... I will quote t

Re: Nescience, Nichtwissen and Open Space

2005-01-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Artur - your comments are wonderful. Definitely in the spirit of my paper. Pure Open Space. Absolutely NOTHING. Thanks :-) ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com O

Re: Nescience, Nichtwissen and Open Space

2005-01-15 Thread Artur Silva
Harrison: I am so glad that you understood my "Nichtwissen" and my large "Space of Possibilities" ;-) But now that I have found "the question", and I am "sitting it", please wait for the results Artur Harrison Owen wrote: Artur – your comments are wonderful. Definitely in the

Re: A question about OS listserv

2005-01-15 Thread Artur Silva
Very interesting questions, Peggy (and Juanita). I have been thinking about questions similar to those ones after some time. Being part or having been part of many mailing lists, Web forums and other e-tools (not to speak about the old BBS's); being the moderator of some, very active in one or

Ooops! Sorry! (was: Re: [OSLIST] Nescience, Nichtwissen and Open Space)

2005-01-15 Thread Artur Silva
Hi: Sorry for the wrong mail. I hit the wrong key...twice... The real post will follow during the week end, I hope. Artur - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. * * == o