Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Kaliya *
I think as communities learn how to live into Open Space they need "the facilitator" to do less and less until capacity becomes distributed in a community and they understand collectively how get the most out of the form for themselves and also not to enclose it - well they still need a facilit

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread douglas germann
Harrison-- So self organizing is really doing less and less? :- Doug. On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 15:44 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote: > Holger -- After Open Space? ("Regularly, I have been asking the provocative > question: "OST - so, what's next?" Not that I want OST to disapp

Re: helping the whole

2009-06-15 Thread douglas germann
Wendy-- Thanks. Alexander's concept of nesting feels a bit more wobbly than the picture of the holarchy you have triggered in me. The holarchy I am picturing is like a set of Russian nested dolls--as you open them up you encounter ever smaller and smaller wholes. Alexander speaks of "centers" wh

Re: Open Space on Broadway.

2009-06-15 Thread douglas germann
Wow, Phelim, you are our leader showing us how it can be done! Yay for Phelim! :- Doug. On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 23:05 -0400, Phelim McDermott wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been a little quiet on the string lately.. however this is > because things have been very busy and e

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Holger, I find myself repeating things, too! Maybe its old age (not in your case, of course)...or whatever. To me, the core of OST is about selforganisation. Its a pretty neat technology to have time and space for selforganisation unfold more than in any other setting I know of. In fact, it

Re: Tips for presenting Open Space to a Peace & Justice center?

2009-06-15 Thread Peggy Holman
Harold, In addition to the many wonderful events listed on the world map, in 2003, a group of us co-hosted the Practice of Peace (PoP) at the Whidbey Institute, near Seattle, Washington. We had over 130 people from 24 countries, including 13 in high conflict areas. Information on it is

Re: Open Space on Broadway.

2009-06-15 Thread Peggy Holman
Can I be Morticia? :-) __ Peggy Holman The Open Circle Company 15347 SE 49th Place Bellevue, WA 98006 425-746-6274 www.opencirclecompany.com www.journalismthatmatters.org For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook "An an

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Holger -- After Open Space? ("Regularly, I have been asking the provocative question: "OST - so, what's next?" Not that I want OST to disappear. But we can't possibly assume that it will be around for the next 1300 years.") One way of thinking about how to answer that question might be to consider

Re: Open Space Magic

2009-06-15 Thread Cliodhna Mulhern
Dear Suzanne Your recent postings have been thrilling and exhilarating. They chime with the discovery of my own song. You have brought smiles to my face these last few days and warmth to my heart..Thank you. Cliodhna UK On 15 Jun 2009, at 03:40, Suzanne Daigle wrote: Harrison, I ce

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
Something is always missed when we choose to do one thing and not another. For example, my life is made poorer by the fact that I can't join you and Jeff for coffee today in North Beach! I heard and saw your synchronicity perfectly. Thank you for stimulating my own reflections. Off to order anot

Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN.

2009-06-15 Thread Toke Paludan Møller
Dear collegues. Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0 if not please take a moment to hear a message from her generation This is the kind of understanding and real need that inspires me to do the work I do - her, the child i

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Heidi Nobantu Saul
Chris, thanks for sharing your experience, perspectives and for being provocative… I have enjoyed and appreciated the posts that have followed yours so much as well I clearly did not express myself clearly, fully or thoughtfully enough this morning when sending along my example. (or perhaps

Re: Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN.

2009-06-15 Thread David stevenson
True inspire ation. Thanks for paying this forward Toke and pondering.."What may we be helpful to listen forth and open space for in the years to come?" with a few mates on a sunny Victoria Day. Love out to all Dave Stevenson On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Toke Paludan Møller wrote: > Dear co

Re: I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Justin T. Sampson
Howdy! I've been active in the Libertarian Party, which calls itself "the party of principle". We talk about "principles" explicitly in distinction to "values". It goes something like this... Values are inherently relative. We all have different values. As humans we certainly have a lot of simila

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Justin T. Sampson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kaliya * wrote: They are not simply "rebranding" they are doing something qualitatively > different that is quite a bit less inclusive and less powerful... > > they are pointing people at THE RULES OF BAR CAMP > http://www.barcamp.org/TheRulesOfBarCamp > > Ba

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Larry Peterson
Very well said Wendy! “confused technology with strategy” and “whoring away at influence and power ego” are common maladies not just in the IT sector. I’ve seen other types of consultants who ply the same trade. I hunch we all do that a bit, however. Staying centered in the good practice

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation)
Chris, you said: "In the world of self-organizing systems and evolutionary processes what matters is variety and diversity. Things only get better when millions of experiments are underway. From those experiments come the mutations and modifications that help create the next level. It's how Op

Re: list etiquette

2009-06-15 Thread Lisa Heft
Access again. I for one am happy to learn how to make our rich discussion and community of learning more open to others who are not in our particular community. If that means learning a naming protocol / standard that is universal - to better allow folks not like us to search and access t

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Lisa Heft
One of my passions in facilitation, and in life, is practicing inclusion and awareness of what is access and what is inclusion. With the use of the principles and law, opening circle, agenda co- creation (without facilitator intervention to cluster, eliminate or structure that process furthe

Re: list etiquette

2009-06-15 Thread Esther Ewing
Pat: I agree with you completely. I was not trying to suggest that there had been a breach of etiquette. I did, however, feel that there was a bit of a dismissive tone to some of the responses and so I was replying to what I saw as that tone. Perhaps I overreacted. Esther From: OSLIST [mai

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Lisa Heft
One of my passions in facilitation, and in life, is practicing inclusion and awareness of what is access and what is inclusion. With the use of the principles and law, opening circle, agenda co- creation (without facilitator intervention to cluster, eliminate or structure that process furthe

Re: Open Space on Broadway.

2009-06-15 Thread Jeff Aitken
Uncle Fester! Jeff Aitken Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:52:19 -0700 From: chris.corri...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Open Space on Broadway. To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Well of course we must all find our way to Broadway for opening night. It often seems like this OSLIST family is a little

Re: Open Space on Broadway.

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
Well of course we must all find our way to Broadway for opening night. It often seems like this OSLIST family is a little like the one you are bringing to the stage, one I loved as a kid. I have dibs on Cousin Itt! Of course Harrison comes in as Gomez, and the spirit of self-organizatiion is like

Re: list etiquette

2009-06-15 Thread Esther Ewing
Hi all: When we think about it, and as we think about it, I think we should try to honor (or honour) Kaliya's request. One of the things that I have noticed on this list is how welcoming we are to newcomers and how often, they post a request for information that has been discussed a lot in the pas

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
Heidi...and others... Y'know, my basic take on this is to say "who really knows what's right for these people?" Clearly whatever happens is the only thing that could have, and at least they are up front about saying that it's modified from the Open Space we all know and love so well. I find it wo

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
Brilliantly said Wendy. One of the things that has struck me over the years about OST is the way people will often insist, in their own words, that OST is not the culture of their organization, that for whatever reason, it will not work. It's largely an overreaction to plain and simple fear that w

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Heidi Nobantu Saul
Greetings OST colleagues - Below is an excellent example of one of the ways that Open Space is being miss-represented/modified in a way that truly does ‘miss the mark’ that the two martini’s helped bring forth J What makes it especially interesting to me is that a good friend and colleag

Re: list etiquette

2009-06-15 Thread Pat Black
Hi Esther and all who have chimed in here, I have been reading the threads knotted together here and have a thought to add. I don't think the issue here is the word etiquette. The thread diverged around the original subject line Open Space Opened Badly. "I can just say in my own case, tha

Re: helping the whole

2009-06-15 Thread Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
You sound pretty close to it to me, Doug. The nesting Alexander speaks of may be something like the concept of holons in Integral. Where each entity is both a whole unto itself and an intrinsic part of a yet larger whole--all nested in a great holarchy of being. The boundaries of each

Re: Open Space Magic

2009-06-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Thank you Suzanne. Deep, rich, passionate, and extraordinarily well written! And I'll take you up on the Martini, my Gin or yours. Harrison Harrison Owen 189 Beaucaire Ave Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 (Summer) 301-365-2093 (Winter) Website www.openspaceworld.com Personal Website www

Re: Open Space meetings

2009-06-15 Thread Harrison Owen
Phelim - You social reprobate! Perhaps better yet - Retard!! And the Lady does have a point. Things are screwy enough around here anyhow with help from you :-) Wonderful to see you here again! :-) :-) Harrison Harrison Owen 189 Beaucaire Ave Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 (Summer) 301-3

Re: Open Space Magic

2009-06-15 Thread Suzanne Daigle
Harrison, I celebrate these past few months in finding my voice, a voice that I always had but never spoke loudly or clearly enough. Yes you are right: what was there to be anxious about? I don't need more education, more experience, more and more. I will use what I have and that will be good

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
Hi Kaliya and all, I had the opportunity to participate in one of John Pinkus' Mashup's at Microsoft. It was a very frustrating experience for an OS facilitator. The energetics were all sideways. And it was extremely hard to watch that much talent and money get, to be crude, pissed up a