ed control? Hmmm...
Energetically opposing a strong trend
...usually results in some difficult learning.
On 10/30/13 6:50 AM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:
Re: [OSList] The OST Game Hey Daniel,
>> ... control of one's self / discipline <<
The conversation might be getting
Hey Daniel,
>> ... control of one's self / discipline <<
The conversation might be getting skewed, as is so easily the case in
threaded discussions like this. (And I had forgotten how much I love them!)
Harrison said: >> Goal seeking systems are purely a figment of our
imagination created in a d
Michael: ULtrech seams to e a place way to far from Montreal but I like the
"?" in a paper idea. Lisa Heft has done several "conversations" in silence
in the wososnos and they were ones of the best ones!
Thank you for this invitation any way!
Adriana
2013/10/26 Michael M Pannwitz
> Adriana and
Adriana and all you others looking for a space to reflect on whatever
the question might be, consider coming to Utrecht, or better yet: you
need to come to Utrecht. Its a full blown three day os, no frills
attached, exactly for the issues people bring along, no matter how clear
they are on them
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On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring
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> Reading your conversation made me think that a very good OS theme would be
> about how new relationships start, for friends and other types because so
> many people are using a lot of time lookin
Reading your conversation made me think that a very good OS theme would be
about how new relationships start, for friends and other types because so
many people are using a lot of time looking for some "goal" or "tarjet" in
this sites where you ara suposed to find your "soulmate" ...a lot of time
A wonderful conversation in the works...my replies appear below...
On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:
Re: [OSList] The OST Game Dan wrote: >> Consider the man who loves a
certain woman, and waits for the current trend of her interest in him
to change. He is goal seeking w
Dan wrote: >> Consider the man who loves a certain woman, and waits for the
current trend of her interest in him to change. He is goal seeking without
controlling. Likewise, trend-following market traders do not attempt to
create, control or make trends. They simply identify & ride them, while
seek
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whether i bring up the topic of finite and infinite games!!! I love it that i
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I don't think self organizing systems are goal seeking systems. By
definition, goal seeking systems are homeostatic, and not emergent or
transformational. I think self organizing systems are purpose seeking
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Harrison, neither do I believe you can think yourself to agility. But words
can guide us towards being, towards sensing when they remind us to be and
sense. When learning to bike, the gentle prodding of s
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Thank you Harrison for you thoughtfulness and insights.
On the point that agility and open space is a natural condition if we stop
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I'm loving the richness of this conversation. I'm loving it so much!
One question that comes up for me repeatedly, as I read and ponder the
responses to OST-as-game: what is the goal (if any) of s
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Whatever you experienced as OST when it first escaped has largely become a
game. A game of training. A game of "go back to base and read the manual".
Even you play a regular game
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Whatever you experienced as OST when it first escaped has largely become a
game. A game of training. A game of "go back to ba
Harrison
Whatever you experienced as OST when it first escaped has largely become a
game. A game of training. A game of "go back to base and read the manual".
Even you play a regular game on here as one of the elders who keep
defending OST against change (oh yes you do). It's become a game with a
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Oh Diane - thank you! I had been hoping you would write something. I'm
also very grateful for your comprehensive history here only some of
which I was aware of.
A deep bow of appreciation for the Agile Open series. I'd love to go to
every one of those because of the fun, engagement, high level
Harrison,
Thank you! Your note means a lot to me. Thanks for the encouragement
about not getting stuck on the method.
Speaking of happiness, I just read an email from Lyssa Adkins from her
Coaching Agile Teams mailing list. Lyssa carries a worn print out of the
Tao of Open Space which she sh
Harold, Michael, Harrison, and all,
I've been lurking on the sidelines of this conversation. Honestly, hoping a bit
that it would go away. (Not sure about my motivations there.) However, the turn
the thread has taken recently prompts me to speak up again.
I'd like to remind you about the Agi
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Harold, Michael, Harrison, and all,
I've been lurking on the sidelines of this conversation. Honestly, hoping a
bit that it would go
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Hi Michael,
No fun to hear I'm failing - but it hasn't stopped me before. Try and try
again (even if it takes years).
I&#x
whoops, was responding on my phone and took an inadvertent shortcut when i
said, "...that's great to say OST is a game cuz..." that said, and given
this history with alistair's metaphor and the churning in the agile
community, it makes a lot of sense that the metaphor of ost as a game is
useful in
Hi Michael,
No fun to hear I'm failing - but it hasn't stopped me before. Try and
try again (even if it takes years).
I'm not saying OST *is* a game. I'm not saying OST is anything.
What I see is that there is value in the metaphor of OST as a game.
So Dan is already speaking about OST as a
Not sure you actually accomlished "Against," Harold. I think I just read
OST is life, a finite slice of Life.
And if the conversation happens in a room full of people who think and talk
about games, that's great to say OST is a game cuz everyone in that room or
community knows what that means. Pr
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Harrison,
Ok, I'll take your word from previous posts that I won't be in trouble
if I risk going up against you again - or maybe it's just a hope that
this thread won't be shut down due to misunderstandings.
The statement "OST is a game" actually doesn't work for me so much
because it uncomf
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Michael,
Thanks for your reply; I like this conversation.
My current beliefs summarized:
1/ The culture of the org is a game. It is goal-seeking, it has rules. It
delivers feedback. It is opt-in, because you can quit
Michael,
Thanks for your reply; I like this conversation.
My current beliefs summarized:
1/ The culture of the org is a game. It is goal-seeking, it has rules.
It delivers feedback. It is opt-in, because you can quit the org. (See
www.TheCultureGame.com)
2/ OST is a pre-fabricated meeting f
oh, and... skye... i don't think naming has to be about controlling.
sometimes we say face, sometimes nose, sometimes nostril, or deeper still
sinuses. sometimes it's just about higher resolution understanding.
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what your quoting suggests to me, dan, is a distinction akin to what i've
already shared about tools/techniques versus practice.
in another message you've suggested rules, feedback etc, and defined ost as
a game. what i hear harrison saying in the quoting here, though, suggests
that organization
Skye,
You say:
"...each of us forming it each time uniquely with both particular and
universal operatives. Unique to the entities in the forming circle, the
space time event forming the circle and so on and so on"
Yes, and I join with you in the idea that every moment is unique.
On Games:
I guess I want to play in this "game". Feedback implies mechanistic
processes that have been identified through cause and effect responses.
This is where we get into trouble. Life is not machine like, in any way.
It is complex and not complicated as a set of gears and cogs can become if
there a
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