Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-16 Thread Jack Ricchiuto
ganizing critters. Or something. >> > >> > Harrison >> > >> > >> > Harrison Owen >> > 189 Beaucaire Ave >> > Camden, ME 04843 >> > 207-763-3261 (Summer) >> > 301-365-2093 (Winter) >> > Website www.openspaceworld.co

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-16 Thread douglas germann
age- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of douglas > germann > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:29 PM > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Subject: Re: Open Space being badly defined > > Harrison-- > > So self organizing is reall

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2009-06-16 Thread Jack Martin Leith
ng through. >> >> >> >> Harrison >> >> >> >> Harrison Owen >> >> 189 Beaucaire Ave >> >> Camden, ME 04843 >> >> 207-763-3261 (Summer) >> >> 301-365-2093 (Winter) >> >> Website www.openspaceworld.co

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2009-06-16 Thread Larry Peterson
ario, Canada la...@spiritedorg.com 416.653.4829 http://www.spiritedorg.com -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Shinsato Sent: June-16-09 3:20 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Open Space being badly defined When Harrison wr

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2009-06-16 Thread Harrison Owen
nn Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:29 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space being badly defined Harrison-- So self organizing is really doing less and less? :- Doug. On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 15:44 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote: > Holger -- After Open

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2009-06-16 Thread Harold Shinsato
isestate.edu] On Behalf Of Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:44 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space being badly defined Chris, you said: "In the world of self-organizing systems and evolutionary processes what matters is variety and diversity

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2009-06-16 Thread ingrid ebeling ebus
.openspaceworld.com Personal Website www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) Sent: Mo

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2009-06-16 Thread Jeff Aitken
insights around this.) How do others think about this? Jeffmount tamalpais Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:53:18 -0700 From: identitywo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Open Space being badly defined To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu I think as communities learn how to live into Open

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2009-06-15 Thread Kaliya *
01-365-2093 (Winter) > > Website www.openspaceworld.com > > Personal Website www.ho-image.com > > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > > > > > -Original Message

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2009-06-15 Thread douglas germann
our options > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > -Original Message- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Holger > Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:44 PM > To: osl...@listserv.

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Holger, I find myself repeating things, too! Maybe its old age (not in your case, of course)...or whatever. To me, the core of OST is about selforganisation. Its a pretty neat technology to have time and space for selforganisation unfold more than in any other setting I know of. In fact, it

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Harrison Owen
tp://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:44 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space being badly defin

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2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
gt; > Heidi > > > > > > *From:* OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] *On Behalf Of *Chris > Corrigan > *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 AM > > *To:* osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > *Subject:* Re: Open Space being badly defined > > > > Heidi..

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2009-06-15 Thread Heidi Nobantu Saul
with Uncle Fester in North Beach, Heidi From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Corrigan Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space being badly defined Heidi...and others... Y'know, my basic ta

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2009-06-15 Thread Justin T. Sampson
t; Website www.openspaceworld.com > > Personal Website www.ho-image.com > > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Justin T. Sampson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kaliya * wrote: They are not simply "rebranding" they are doing something qualitatively > different that is quite a bit less inclusive and less powerful... > > they are pointing people at THE RULES OF BAR CAMP > http://www.barcamp.org/TheRulesOfBarCamp > > Ba

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2009-06-15 Thread Larry Peterson
.spiritedorg.com From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Wendy Farmer-O'Neil Sent: June-15-09 4:23 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Open Space being badly defined Hi Kaliya and all, I had the opportunity to participate in one of Joh

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2009-06-15 Thread Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation)
Chris, you said: "In the world of self-organizing systems and evolutionary processes what matters is variety and diversity. Things only get better when millions of experiments are underway. From those experiments come the mutations and modifications that help create the next level. It's how Op

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Lisa Heft
One of my passions in facilitation, and in life, is practicing inclusion and awareness of what is access and what is inclusion. With the use of the principles and law, opening circle, agenda co- creation (without facilitator intervention to cluster, eliminate or structure that process furthe

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Lisa Heft
One of my passions in facilitation, and in life, is practicing inclusion and awareness of what is access and what is inclusion. With the use of the principles and law, opening circle, agenda co- creation (without facilitator intervention to cluster, eliminate or structure that process furthe

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
...@nobantu.com > > *Web:* www.nobantu.com > > *Twitter:* http://twitter.com/nobantu > > P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. > > *From:* OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] *On Behalf Of *Kaliya > * > *Sent:* Sunday, June

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Corrigan
Brilliantly said Wendy. One of the things that has struck me over the years about OST is the way people will often insist, in their own words, that OST is not the culture of their organization, that for whatever reason, it will not work. It's largely an overreaction to plain and simple fear that w

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Heidi Nobantu Saul
ject: Re: Open Space being badly defined Sticking to the Original THREAD. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Erik Fabian wrote: Hi Kaliya, I have visited your sites in the past and appreciate all the information you share. I also appreciate you advocacy for getting this community more

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-15 Thread Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
Hi Kaliya and all, I had the opportunity to participate in one of John Pinkus' Mashup's at Microsoft. It was a very frustrating experience for an OS facilitator. The energetics were all sideways. And it was extremely hard to watch that much talent and money get, to be crude, pissed up a

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2009-06-14 Thread Kaliya *
Sticking to the Original THREAD. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Erik Fabian wrote: > Hi Kaliya, > > I have visited your sites in the past and appreciate all the information > you share. I also appreciate you advocacy for getting this community more > engaged with the unconference zeitgeis

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2009-06-12 Thread Erik Fabian
sl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Erik >Fabian >Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:09 AM >To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >Subject: Re: I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined > >Thanks for the note Harrison, > >No doubt having a creation story like that is one o

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2009-06-11 Thread Harrison Owen
tions http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Erik Fabian Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:09 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined Thanks fo

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2009-06-11 Thread Jon Harvey
fod Sent: 11 June 2009 13:49 To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: [OSLIST] I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined Hi Harrison and OST family. reading this response made be remember why OST is so attractive to me. It's simple and it works. As an NLP teacher, that's the f

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2009-06-11 Thread Harrison Owen
ves/oslist.html> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html _ From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Harvey Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:00 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined Ha

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2009-06-11 Thread Erik Fabian
Thanks for the note Harrison, No doubt having a creation story like that is one of the reasons OS resonates with many of us, but you realize that establishing a creation story is a tactic that is used in marketing to establish a brand. (Ex. Apple was started by two guys in a garage, or Michael

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2009-06-11 Thread Harrison Owen
scribe, unsubscribe, change your options http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Erik Fabian Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:53 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: I gu

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2009-06-11 Thread Elisabeth Tepperk Kofod
[mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] En nombre de Harrison Owen Enviado el: jueves, 11 de junio de 2009 07:51 a.m. Para: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Asunto: Re: [OSLIST] I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined Erik -- Not to worry about accusation. It is doubtless deserved. But let'

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2009-06-10 Thread Erik Fabian
.com >OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > >-Original Message- >From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Erik >Fabian >Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:15 PM >To:

I guess RE: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-10 Thread Harrison Owen
une 10, 2009 3:15 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Open Space being badly defined Hi Kaliya, I have visited your sites in the past and appreciate all the information you share. I also appreciate you advocacy for getting this community more engaged with the unconference zeitgeis

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2009-06-10 Thread Erik Fabian
Hi Kaliya, I have visited your sites in the past and appreciate all the information you share. I also appreciate you advocacy for getting this community more engaged with the unconference zeitgeist. Leaving the wiki articles aside for a moment, I hear you saying a few things: 1) OS needs to u

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-10 Thread Kaliya *
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) < hol...@change-facilitation.org> wrote: > Hi Kaliya, > > although I don't want to interfere with this particular Wikipedia article, Why not? > Iam not very happy with your edition. Let me explain, and let us try to > find

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2009-06-09 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
i 2009 22:42 Betreff: Open Space being badly defined So, In case you are all wondering about the online worldwhile you were not looking some geeks decided to define things badly. There is an entry about barcamps that claims they are an "open space" event http://en.wikipedia.org/w

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2009-06-09 Thread Robyn Stratton-Berkessel
hange your options http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Kaliya * Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:42 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Open Space being badly defined So, In case you are all wondering

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2009-06-09 Thread Harrison Owen
_ From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Kaliya * Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:42 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Open Space being badly defined So, In case you are all wondering about the online worldwhile you were not looking some geeks

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2009-06-09 Thread Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation)
Hi Kaliya, although I don't want to interfere with this particular Wikipedia article, I am not very happy with your edition. Let me explain, and let us try to find some common ground: 1. Bar Camps are derived from Open Space Technology. They are a crude adaptation of the principles and leave out

Re: Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-08 Thread douglas germann
Kaliya-- Thanks for demonstrating for the community how passion bounded by responsibility works! You saw something, had passion for it, and took responsibility by making the world better. Thanks! :- Doug. On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 13:41 -0700, Kaliya * wrote: > So, In case y

Open Space being badly defined

2009-06-08 Thread Kaliya *
So, In case you are all wondering about the online worldwhile you were not looking some geeks decided to define things badly. There is an entry about barcamps that claims they are an "open space" event http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BarCamp&oldid=294721271#Structure_and_participator