that
we should strive to have no influence on the group we assist.
Should we not then discuss and confront what essential message we need to
convey to each group? Should our message be part of our planning process?
What is the message of OST?
Martin and Winston--
Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I need to think about them a bit.
But I am a little lost when it comes to quadrants as you are using them
here. I think I get "U/L" as "upper left," but what are the quadrants? I do
not want to let this discussion get sidetracked, so if th
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<< people in motion
<< the power and possibility of deep easy at work.
Wow, what powerful words!
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To my good friends--
We have had quite a few engaging answers to the questions that started
this--
<< Should we not then discuss and confront what essential message we need
to
<< convey to each group? Should our message be part of our planning
process?
<< What is the message
Harrison--
<< most cases, I prefer that they figure it out for themselves.
Ahh, now there is the message you are conveying, yes?
And so it is a matter not of whether you have a message, but of how you
convey it, right? The teacher will expound on it, you will hide it over
here and hint at wher
Douglas,
Thank you for daring to challenge one of the orthodoxies of Open Space
facilitation.
Here's how I (currently) see it:
Open Space Technology is a 'tool' of co-creation.
Co-creation means, among other things, 'we're all in this together'.
So I guess this means that the facilitator is an
Hallo Douglas and all. That post ought to get something going!
My own sense is that you may be talking at two different levels (or maybe
"quadrants" - apologies to KW) at the same time here: one of process and
one of proceeds.
I believe the "orthodoxy" as you call it (not getting involved) refers
Hi Douglas.
I have sent you off-list an excerpt from a web page I came across which
should give you an idea of Wilber's essential thinking. If you have not
read him, do. He is a (sometimes thoroughly unlikeable) intellectual giant.
A recent book which summarizes much of his previous work is called
At 09:22 AM 7/22/2002 +0100, Martin Leith wrote:
Douglas,
Thank you for daring to challenge one of the orthodoxies of Open Space
facilitation.
I guess if we ever get to the point that we have orthodox dogma that takes
courage to challenge, we are truly in deep doodoo. For something that began
i have a paper posted online, as the heart of the 'inviting organization'
collection that translates and integrates ken wilber, open space, angeles
arriens, emery, fast company and maybe something else into quadrants for
organization. chris corrigan has since shown me how these can be used as
ongo
this went only to martin. he apparently requires the same special attention as
michael pannwitz! reply to all...
Michael Herman wrote:
> marting and doug,
>
> i think some of these things martin is mentioning are good to test, but still
> i think these other orthodoxies you mention, martin,
As an OST facilitator, if I truly believe the expertise is in the room, then it
is simple to only give input to matters of holding space...
Judi
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Judi writes:
>As an OST facilitator, if I truly believe the expertise is in the room,
then it is simple to only give input to matters of holding space...
Here's how it is for me: Sometimes the expertise isn't in the room.
Sometimes people don't know what they don't know. Sometimes, like fish, the
let's keep in mind that the facilitator is in the room as well. thus, s/he
could help to complete the expertise equation.
plus, lets keep in mind that sometimes we're facilitating open space with a
group of people with whom we have a common interest in solving a problem.
perhaps its a group of pe
and, in the spirit you bring here, john...
let's keep in mind that if we want a number of ongoing activities to come out
of this, and want them to continue to unfold in an open space way, it is
important for the leaders of those (downstream spaceholders) to have seen us
pulse back and forth across
One of the questions I ask myself in this type of spaceholding is-
Whose needs am I serving? It always helps me with the decision of
participating, sharing expertise, etc.
just my one and one-half cents --- Canadian!!
Judi
Judith Richardson
jud...@ponoconsultants.com
Pono Consultants Intern
At 10:52 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, Martin wrote:
Judi writes:
>As an OST facilitator, if I truly believe the expertise is in the room,
then it is simple to only give input to matters of holding space...
Here's how it is for me: Sometimes the expertise isn't in the room.
Sometimes people don't know w
wonderful conversation.
Doug brings up the concept of teacher. In OST I do not think of myself
as a teacher. In teaching there is lecturing, waiting for the teachable
moment, putting something out there and waiting for discovery learning.
Even in teaching using OST, I would provide articl
wonderful conversation.
YES!!
for me it is beautiful to watch , how two nets I am in are meeting and
somehow melting - OST and the Facilitators list. And we somewhere in the
middle, with our thoughts and feelings.
We as visual facilitators accompany many kinds of meetings with our
pictures.
Harrison, I agree with you. *And* I stand by what I said: Respond in the
moment, not follow rules and theories.
Martin
Harrison's response prompted me to be reminded of a Scottish Gaelic saying, "Le
Eolas Thig Comas"---(as in other translations into English quite often the
meaning has to be adapted somewhat)---I understand it to mean "with knowledge
comes ability (wisdom)"for me Harrison's response, [But I f
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