What is the message of OST?

2002-07-21 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
that we should strive to have no influence on the group we assist. Should we not then discuss and confront what essential message we need to convey to each group? Should our message be part of our planning process? What is the message of OST?

What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Martin and Winston-- Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I need to think about them a bit. But I am a little lost when it comes to quadrants as you are using them here. I think I get "U/L" as "upper left," but what are the quadrants? I do not want to let this discussion get sidetracked, so if th

What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
m- << people in motion << the power and possibility of deep easy at work. Wow, what powerful words! :-Doug. Germann * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscr

What is the message of OST?

2002-07-23 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
To my good friends-- We have had quite a few engaging answers to the questions that started this-- << Should we not then discuss and confront what essential message we need to << convey to each group? Should our message be part of our planning process? << What is the message

What is the message of OST?

2002-07-23 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Harrison-- << most cases, I prefer that they figure it out for themselves. Ahh, now there is the message you are conveying, yes? And so it is a matter not of whether you have a message, but of how you convey it, right? The teacher will expound on it, you will hide it over here and hint at wher

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Martin Leith
Douglas, Thank you for daring to challenge one of the orthodoxies of Open Space facilitation. Here's how I (currently) see it: Open Space Technology is a 'tool' of co-creation. Co-creation means, among other things, 'we're all in this together'. So I guess this means that the facilitator is an

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Winston Kinch
Hallo Douglas and all. That post ought to get something going! My own sense is that you may be talking at two different levels (or maybe "quadrants" - apologies to KW) at the same time here: one of process and one of proceeds. I believe the "orthodoxy" as you call it (not getting involved) refers

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Winston Kinch
Hi Douglas. I have sent you off-list an excerpt from a web page I came across which should give you an idea of Wilber's essential thinking. If you have not read him, do. He is a (sometimes thoroughly unlikeable) intellectual giant. A recent book which summarizes much of his previous work is called

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Harrison Owen
At 09:22 AM 7/22/2002 +0100, Martin Leith wrote: Douglas, Thank you for daring to challenge one of the orthodoxies of Open Space facilitation. I guess if we ever get to the point that we have orthodox dogma that takes courage to challenge, we are truly in deep doodoo. For something that began

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Michael Herman
i have a paper posted online, as the heart of the 'inviting organization' collection that translates and integrates ken wilber, open space, angeles arriens, emery, fast company and maybe something else into quadrants for organization. chris corrigan has since shown me how these can be used as ongo

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Michael Herman
this went only to martin. he apparently requires the same special attention as michael pannwitz! reply to all... Michael Herman wrote: > marting and doug, > > i think some of these things martin is mentioning are good to test, but still > i think these other orthodoxies you mention, martin,

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread J. Richardson
As an OST facilitator, if I truly believe the expertise is in the room, then it is simple to only give input to matters of holding space... Judi Judith Richardson jud...@ponoconsultants.com Pono Consultants International Facilitating the Flow of Inspired Collaboration (902) 435-0308 www.ponocons

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Martin Leith
Judi writes: >As an OST facilitator, if I truly believe the expertise is in the room, then it is simple to only give input to matters of holding space... Here's how it is for me: Sometimes the expertise isn't in the room. Sometimes people don't know what they don't know. Sometimes, like fish, the

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread john engle
let's keep in mind that the facilitator is in the room as well. thus, s/he could help to complete the expertise equation. plus, lets keep in mind that sometimes we're facilitating open space with a group of people with whom we have a common interest in solving a problem. perhaps its a group of pe

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Michael Herman
and, in the spirit you bring here, john... let's keep in mind that if we want a number of ongoing activities to come out of this, and want them to continue to unfold in an open space way, it is important for the leaders of those (downstream spaceholders) to have seen us pulse back and forth across

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread J. Richardson
One of the questions I ask myself in this type of spaceholding is- Whose needs am I serving? It always helps me with the decision of participating, sharing expertise, etc. just my one and one-half cents --- Canadian!! Judi Judith Richardson jud...@ponoconsultants.com Pono Consultants Intern

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-22 Thread Harrison Owen
At 10:52 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, Martin wrote: Judi writes: >As an OST facilitator, if I truly believe the expertise is in the room, then it is simple to only give input to matters of holding space... Here's how it is for me: Sometimes the expertise isn't in the room. Sometimes people don't know w

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-23 Thread J. Richardson
wonderful conversation. Doug brings up the concept of teacher. In OST I do not think of myself as a teacher. In teaching there is lecturing, waiting for the teachable moment, putting something out there and waiting for discovery learning. Even in teaching using OST, I would provide articl

AW: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-23 Thread Visuelle Protokolle
wonderful conversation. YES!! for me it is beautiful to watch , how two nets I am in are meeting and somehow melting - OST and the Facilitators list. And we somewhere in the middle, with our thoughts and feelings. We as visual facilitators accompany many kinds of meetings with our pictures.

Re: What is the message of OST?

2002-07-23 Thread Martin Leith
Harrison, I agree with you. *And* I stand by what I said: Respond in the moment, not follow rules and theories. Martin

Re: Harrison's response to What is the message of OST?

2002-07-23 Thread jjr
Harrison's response prompted me to be reminded of a Scottish Gaelic saying, "Le Eolas Thig Comas"---(as in other translations into English quite often the meaning has to be adapted somewhat)---I understand it to mean "with knowledge comes ability (wisdom)"for me Harrison's response, [But I f