Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
I'm sure this is the solution to implement. I know almost zero about electronics but am always looking for fun things to do with 1wire and Raspberry. Thanks again, Peter On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Jerry Scharf wrote: > Peter, > > KISS says use a multimeter, I started with the 1-wire solu

Re: [Owfs-developers] [PATCH 1/2] update FSF address

2013-07-07 Thread Paul Alfille
Thank you. I'll make your suggested changes, except it's not clear what I should do about your third item. I also submitted OWFS 2.9p1 to FOSSology for automated license review: https://fossology.ist.unomaha.edu/?mod=browse&upload=167&item=460688 I'm not sure what to make of all the details. Pau

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Jerry Scharf
Peter, KISS says use a multimeter, I started with the 1-wire solution because that was the thread. This will work fine but I have to admit the sugar cube seems even nicer. Again, measuring with a multimeter is all it takes. They make wire that is specifically designed to prevent water ingress

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
How would I probe? The compartments are sealed. Whatever solution I finally adopt there will be at least two wires from each bilge compartment leading to the areas above the floor (deck). The wires will be sealed so that they don't provide a passage for water. If anyone is interested, here is our

Re: [Owfs-developers] Returning empty strings for ascii properties (patch included)

2013-07-07 Thread Paul Alfille
You found an error, but I think the fix is a few lines up in the "copy_buffer" routine, where a zero-length string should be a valid return. Applied. Thanks Jan. On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Jan Kandziora wrote: > Hello, > > I found ascii properties like /simultaneous/single and $chip/alias

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Colin Law
On 7 July 2013 22:03, Rob Kapteyn wrote: > My reliable low-tech solution to this has been to use a microswitch with a > rubber band around it, held open by a sugar cube. > It is best to use the normally closed contacts. > When there is enough water to dissolve the sugar cube, the lever moves in >

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Rob Kapteyn
My reliable low-tech solution to this has been to use a microswitch with a rubber band around it, held open by a sugar cube. It is best to use the normally closed contacts. When there is enough water to dissolve the sugar cube, the lever moves in and opens the contacts. This might also be useful as

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Vajk Fekete
Just one note: pay attention to the insulation on the wire. Using general pvc insulated wire will cause a leak itself. Best would be to embed some stainless bolts, and connect wires to them using nuts and washers on the exterior side. Vajk On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Jerry Scharf wrote: >

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Daniel MacKay
>> Elegant solution. Would I need a computer? Could I just do it with a >> multimeter? Yes indeed. If it was me, I would solder a two-conductor cable onto two nails and drive them, say, an inch apart somewhere in the bottom of the compartment, and run the cable back to some place where I could

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Colin Law
On 7 July 2013 21:05, Peter Hollenbeck wrote: > Elegant solution. Would I need a computer? Could I just do it with a > multimeter? I love my Raspberry Pis but maybe one isn't required in this > case. Would you be better just with a cheap moisture meter [eg 1] and probe it from the outside occasio

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
Elegant solution. Would I need a computer? Could I just do it with a multimeter? I love my Raspberry Pis but maybe one isn't required in this case. "If I understand the job right, doesn't that mean that you will be doing major surgery to dry the compartment and solve the water ingress issues?" Abs

[Owfs-developers] Returning empty strings for ascii properties (patch included)

2013-07-07 Thread Jan Kandziora
Hello, I found ascii properties like /simultaneous/single and $chip/alias return -EINVAL when the string result is . I don't think this is a useful behaviour as catching this error just for the "empty string" case obscures real error cases happening in the layers below. *This problem is only visi

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
It wouldn't matter if salt water destroyed a moisture sensor. I would take occasional readings of the 7 compartments. Any reading other than "completely dry" would mean I would have to cut an inspection hole in that compartment and address the problem. Thanks again, Peter On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Jerry Scharf
On 07/06/2013 08:40 AM, Peter Hollenbeck wrote: > I am building a 26 foot wood power boat. The bilge below the cabin and > afterdeck floor is 7 sealed water tight (hopefully) compartments. I > plan no inspection ports but would like a way to detect moisture. If > there were an appropriate sensor

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Nathan Hurst
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 04:21:17PM +0200, Jan Kandziora wrote: > Another possible method working with both water and non-polar liquids is > checking the dielectrical permittivity, same method as a capacitive > touchscreen uses. There are really cheap ICs for that purpose out there, > but they all

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Jan Kandziora
Am 07.07.2013 17:24, schrieb Peter Hollenbeck: > Could I use leaf wetness sensors such as this: > http://www.hobby-boards.com/store/products/Leaf-Wetness-Sensor.html > Should work for a while, at least as long the bilge is dry. Once seawater gets in contact with the board I think it has to be repla

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Jan Kandziora
Am 07.07.2013 17:00, schrieb Peter Hollenbeck: > I like the idea of using cheap ICs. Can you suggest one for me to consider? > For your application, I cannot recommend any. Kind regards Jan -- This SF.net emai

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
Could I use leaf wetness sensors such as this: http://www.hobby-boards.com/store/products/Leaf-Wetness-Sensor.html ? Peter On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Peter Hollenbeck wrote: > I like the idea of using cheap ICs. Can you suggest one for me to consider? > Thank you, > Peter > > > On Sun, Jul

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
I like the idea of using cheap ICs. Can you suggest one for me to consider? Thank you, Peter On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Jan Kandziora wrote: > Am 07.07.2013 15:49, schrieb Peter Hollenbeck: > > I don't really understand why that works, > > > Usually, there is air between the heater and hea

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Jan Kandziora
Am 07.07.2013 15:49, schrieb Peter Hollenbeck: > I don't really understand why that works, > Usually, there is air between the heater and heat sensor. This will heat the sensor, but only marginally as * heat conduction through air is nearly always insignificant * heat convection through air is ins

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Marcus Priesch
why not one of those ?!? http://www.fuchs-shop.com/download/MultiSensor_Manual_V091028.pdf this page is from germany but you should be able to get these anywhere else ... regards, marcus Peter Hollenbeck schrieb: >I don't really understand why that works, but I could certainly do it. >Thank

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
I don't really understand why that works, but I could certainly do it. Thanks for the suggestion. Peter On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Jan Kandziora wrote: > Am 07.07.2013 02:13, schrieb Peter Hollenbeck: > > Stuart Island, British Columbia > > > > Interesting idea. > > Ocean water temperature

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Hollenbeck
If we build it right the bilge should be bone dry so I guess I would want to detect moisture. Peter On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Colin Law wrote: > On 7 July 2013 01:13, Peter Hollenbeck wrote: > > Stuart Island, British Columbia > > > > Interesting idea. > > Ocean water temperature here i

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Jan Kandziora
Am 07.07.2013 02:13, schrieb Peter Hollenbeck: > Stuart Island, British Columbia > > Interesting idea. > Ocean water temperature here is about 10C and air temperature, when we are > here April through October, ranges from about 10 to 20. I will have to > experiment to see if the differential would

Re: [Owfs-developers] Water/Moisture Sensor?

2013-07-07 Thread Colin Law
On 7 July 2013 01:13, Peter Hollenbeck wrote: > Stuart Island, British Columbia > > Interesting idea. > Ocean water temperature here is about 10C and air temperature, when we are > here April through October, ranges from about 10 to 20. I will have to > experiment to see if the differential would