Megan,
don't know about MMR, or the WA study, but if you look at
www.birthworks.com/primalhealth/ you will find the research database
violent birth and autism
lizmc
Subject: [ozmidwifery] autism study
> Does anyone know more about the study done in WA looking at children with
> autism and thei
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] healing and connecting after c/sec WAS dimensions - violent birth
Melissa,
wonderful message to pass on to everyone
..thanks
lizmc
I started massaging my boy when he was quite new, and we both got so much
out of it - we still do (he's 3 now
* skin-to-ski
Dear Robyn,
Powerful, brilliant letter. I second
everything you said. And, in fact, the WHO consensus for
health promotion 1986 - nearly 20 years ago recommended the same thing and we
are still no further forward.
love lizmc
edited
LEGISLATION
Midwifery as a distinct and l
WE MUST HAVE SUPPORT FOR THE GREENS IN MELBOURNE ON
WEDNESDAY 13TH NOVEMBER AT 11AM.
Venue to be informed. Read
on..
The issue of PI insurance is very
complex. If the Labor govt is returned, it intends to change the
various Acts to make insurance
mandatory as a condition of
How about maternity services??
Look at smokers with their class action against big tobacco - big tobacco
was caught out because they lied; they manipulated nicotine levels in
cigarettes.
Maternity services and hospitals purport to provide safety and the best
for women,
Title: Message
!!
love
lizmc
- Original Message -
From:
Vicki Chan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:42
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] obs and gobs
this
fine bit of teaching I just came across from the uni of melb obs and gobs...
Listers,
"obstetrician actually said that she could try a
vaginal birth but a hospital based midwife told her to go for the c-section
option"
There is continuing peril in our midst.
What an opportunity for education!! Roll on Vicki and
Nic!
love
lizmc
Hello all,
I'm just thinking, with the abundance of
'horror stories' ie violent births, is there a possibility of a 'class
action' against medicalized childbirth and maternity services through the
Commonwealth Ombudsman. Would this force change??
any comments? any l
Title: Message
Absolutely Vicki, because if there's no
contrast between dehumanized birth vis a vis humanized birth they don't know.
I want to help in this regard.
Love
lizmc
- Original Message -
From:
Vicki Chan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November
Tina,
"sheer arrogance and lack of understanding of
peopleamazingAccording to her the general public are all "fu-k--- nuff
nuffs""parents have no parenting skills".."the public all just want to
sue us". She was just fascinated to think that I would even consider private
pr
Attention Denise,
No go, as expected the government can do what it likes.
Robyn thought of trying Human rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, but
when I called they said no way. As expected.
lizmc
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:51 PM
I have lodged a complaint to ACCC on unfair pr
Dear Listers,
Ignore previous email.
Liz McAlpine sent this link. No need to
open the attachment.
Click the link
click - Our networks
click - Womens NGO network
click - Australian Women Working Together
and there! you have it - a list of organizations who may help with
http://www.osw.dpmc.gov.au/index.html
Commonwealth Office of the Status of Women.url
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Listers,
If you haven't seen this
www.gentlebirth.org
lizmc
Yes, I'm interested to pass this on to a midwife in Kununurra at the
Aboriginal medical service there.
Liz
- Original Message -
From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception -
Title: Message
Hi Andrea,
Post it if you get it please.
love Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Andrea Bilcliff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Helen Ireland
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:34
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Is it really
necessary?
Vicki,
La
PennyB
Yes, yes, yes, I think all of us. In the past, I've come home hundreds of
times shocked to the core, angry, distressed, and totally traumatized. And
yup, feeling completely and utterly powerless.
THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO CHANGE!!!
But no, there is some slight improvementand it'll get bet
s course. Let me know.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
> At 17:52 5/11/2002, elizabeth mcalpine wrote:
> >Thanks Tina, I have that..
> >
> >I was thinking that in your training you would have 'competency units'
> >leading to performance
Title: Message
Good tip Vicki - I'll spread the word and
incorporate it into my practice.
love,
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Vicki Chan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:37
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] dimensions -
violent birth
Queenslander so I am thrilled that the QNC approved my application. I
guess if I choose to travel then other states also have to approve me under
mutual recognition.
marilyn (still thrilled)
- Original Message -----
From:
elizabeth mcalpine
To: [EMAIL PROTE
Well done to Jacqui!!
- Original Message -
From: "Margie Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy arrived :)
Jaqqueline,
thanks for posting your birth story. It's lovely and shows such a lot of
Kathleen,
You're right. That is one problem with midwives and
midwifery - the lack of cohesion.
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Kathleen Fahy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:53
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
"training"
Dear Al
Marilyn, Are you also a nurse? Because
when I told the Vic Nurses Board that I only wanted to register as a midwife,
they told me that it was not possible.
I asked about the new midwives - those graduates
without nursing- I was told they'd think of that then.
Liz Mc
- Original Messag
Title: introducing "birthtalk"
Dear Melissa,
There are just too many traumatic
births.
Your group will grow huge - I'm sure that thousands
of women will benefit in some small way, by sharing their stories.
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
rem &
melissa bruijn
To: [E
Rhonda, there is something in it.
see www.birthpsychology.com
www.birthworks.com Primal
health
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Rhonda
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:28
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] dimensions -
Well now Jan. I had just been thinking along those lines (of complaint)
when your email arrived.
I have lodged a complaint to ACCC on unfair practices; anti competitive
practices; unconsionable conduct. And, the lack of consumer protection to
pregnant and birthing women.
thanks,
Liz Mc
- O
Thanks to whoever sent the transcript.
I have since inundated the ABC dimensions with my
comments and request for help to get the message across.
arrgghh!
Its just too much to bear sometimes.
Just yesterday, a fellow student and I were
chatting after doing some
Title: Victorian Election Action
Justine,
I live in Brunswick.
After reading the transcript of Dimensions, and
Aviva'a story - I am boiling!!!
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Justine Caines
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Leslie
Cc: OzMid List ; Joy
Johnston ; Sally-A
OK Tina.
So how does your training address the
competencies
for example,
Competency standard 7
at each point or unit, what is
taught??
Love
Liz
feel free to email me off list if this may be
boring to others. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And in fact, stay in touch with me
anytime!!
Howdy Lizn
Thanks Tina, I have that..
I was thinking that in your training you would have
'competency units' leading to performance criteria. Do you???
love,
Liz
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08
Vicki, you are right. Yet, even if informed it just seems like so much
effort for some.
love,
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From: "Vicki Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts?
wonderful, Megan.
OK, who is it in Vic??
Liz
- Original Message -
From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP and the "Staus of Women"
> Hi all
> today myself and another consumer had
onal and Capers!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of elizabeth
> mcalpine
> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery
&
Dear midwife students.
I need to review a training
program/strategy.
Can anyone send me something, with
competencies/objectives??
Many thanks
Liz McAlpine
Well said, so funny and so devastatingly
true!! Tragi-comedy indeed!
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Aviva
Sheb'a
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:56
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM
Mess?! considering how much mess -- not just
er 03, 2002 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Love of midwifery
> Could someone tell me how I could get a copy of Nic & Vicki's video? It
> sounds too good to miss out on!
> Rose
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elizabeth mcalpine [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monda
Yes Denise. and if AXA were made aware of the costly, interventionist
practices so commonplace in private hospitals, perhaps they wouldn't cover
normal, physiological births either!!
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, N
Denise, another piece of good news this
morning.
thanks.
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:02
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Change is a foot
in NSW!
Dear Midwifery Supp
this year.
Sally
Westbury
-Original
Message-From: elizabeth
mcalpine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 30 October
2002 9:19
AMTo: ozmidwiferyCc:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [birthnews] Fw: Industrialized
childbirth harms future generations
Dear
Pinky,
I saw that Vicki had responded to you on
this. What's the news???
love Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Pinky McKay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:21
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Hi Liz,
I am a trained advert
Title: Message
Marie, thanks and when is the
conference?
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From: Marie Heath
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwives to discuss maternity
crisis
Liz
The
conference at Byron Bay is the annual NSW
- Original Message -
From: "Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Dawn Worgan'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts?
> Dear Dawn
> I'm not able to reply to the ozmid list, as I am not registered. Howev
- Original Message -
From: Power, Emma
To: 'elizabeth mcalpine'
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:37 AM
Subject: RE:
Hi there Liz
..
Thanks for your email
... just wondering is there any particular conference or anything coming up in
Brisbane that I should n
Debby,
I would work whatever it took. Some midwives
I work with are not at all interested.
love,
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Debby
M
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:06
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric
Perception - Your tho
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwives can make a difference
right on Justine!!
- Original Message -
From:
Justine Caines
To: OzMid List
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:22
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwives can
make a difference
Thanks for the info Sally, b
Listers,
Interesting website and magazine - "made" for
humanized childbirth supporters.
www.byronchild.com
love
Liz Mc
Dear Listers,
Just in case you don't know or have forgotten a
previous circulation.
"The Art of Birthing"; an exhibition for artists to
celebrate creation in its purest form.
www.artofbirthing.com.au
to raise money for the Maternity Coalition with
proceeds shared equally between th
D]
love
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From: "Sal of Wild Spaces" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "elizabeth mcalpine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: your film
> Hi Elizabeth, my name is Sal, which is not short for Sally.
>
, 3250.I'll forward you info about the Beltane
Festival in a separate email.RegardsDavidon 30/10/02
8:18 AM, elizabeth mcalpine at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dear
David,Thank you.
Should I just post the video to you at ACE, Colac, for copying to your
computer? I live in Melbourne - d
correct Jen
> Nic & Vicki have done several videos. I think the one that Liz
> (specifically) has been talking about is called "In Union" & the song
> that accompanies it, also called "In Union", is original (written by
> Vicki & her brother?).
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Jen
>
minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about
except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights..
ie. the right to non violent birth. It can be arranged
that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested
parties.
sincerely,
Elizabeth McAlpine
nise Hynd
- Original Message -
From:
elizabeth mcalpine
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
ozmidwifery
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:4
Title: Love of midwifery
Sally, I get it nowthe tough get
'gonging' heh heh
All those women supporting humanized birth
throughout the world should be in the Guiness book of Records. For
the most sustained and protracted 'banging or gonging the head against the brick
wall' but on the
Title: Love of midwifery
What does gonging mean?? I'm
Scottish.
lvoe Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Sally
Westbury
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:28
PM
Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Love of
midwifery
Was that
gonging???
ation of this video for inclusion in your program, given
that it is of significant social justice and environmental concern.
sincerely,
Elizabeth McAlpine
will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested
parties.
sincerely,
Elizabeth McAlpine
Barb,
Let's go. Who are the contacts??
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From: "barbara glare & chris bright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
> Hi,
>
> I just did the crash course on TV adver
Title: Love of midwifery
I understand completely. I came home
crying tonight because some film festival organizer wouldn't come to see Nic
& Vicki's video about humanized birth, which should be diseminated around
Australia. (working on that!) And work?? Working on
that.
Yep.
Tell me about Leslie.
Liz Mc
- Original Message -
From:
Aviva
Sheb'a
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:57
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the
community
Hi all,
Leslie just dropped in for dinner. He's
interested in th
ds to be notice -it would be such a contrast to see gentle
birth images among the mayhem of war and chaos.
Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com
--
From:
elizabeth mcalpine
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:23
PM
Subject: R
Yep. Its in everyone's mind at the same time.wow!
Have you heard of "Australia's only environmental & social justice film
festival" coming up in November screening at Ballarat, Canberra, Colac,
Denmark, Fremantle, Hobart, Katoomba, Lismore, Melbourne, Mildura, Sydney
and Townsville.
I now h
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] PUSH for BIRTH REFORM
thank you Jan.
I have so much buzzing around in my head at the
minute for NMAP. I just feel 'something is happening' Had
a great afternoon at the Melbourne Expo for woman and child distributing
the flyers. Much interst. Andrea was t
Liz McAlpine again
interim homemade flyer for NMAP - corrected
version.
I have ispy virus protector, so safe to open
attachment.
Love Liz
PUSHfor BIRTH reform.doc
Description: MS-Word document
]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:36
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
ultrasound
it was from the Mayo clinic websiteAndrea QuanchiOn
Friday, October 25, 2002, at 10:19 AM, elizabeth mcalpine wrote:
Hello lister, Recently
someone posted information on the effects
QuanchiOn
Friday, October 25, 2002, at 10:19 AM, elizabeth mcalpine wrote:
Hello lister, Recently
someone posted information on the effects of U/S on the baby.
Something like 'a speeding train in a tunnel'. I had downloaded the
article but have lost it. Can
someone help??Liz
Dear Listers,
Liz McAlpine here.
This is the NMAP interim flyer as attachment.
It didnt work as direct mail.
I have ispy therefore safe from
viruses.
love
Liz
PUSHfor BIRTH reform.doc
Description: MS-Word document
Dear Listers,
herewith interim flyer, re NMAP - It was straight
when I sent it - I think it can be adjusted
Liz
Title: PUSHfor BIRTH
PUSH
for BIRTH
REFORM!!
support
the
NATIONAL
MATERNITY
ACTION PLAN
*Every woman has the right to choose
her birth setting
*Every
woman has the right to cho
Title: PUSHfor BIRTH
PUSH
for BIRTH
REFORM!!
support
the
NATIONAL
MATERNITY
ACTION PLAN
*Every woman has the right to choose
her birth setting
*Every
woman has the right to cho
Title: PUSHfor BIRTH
PUSH
for BIRTH
REFORM!!
support
the
NATIONAL
MATERNITY
ACTION PLAN
*Every woman has the right to choose
her birth setting
*Every
woman has the right to cho
Thanks Leanne - and to anyone else who may respond about my query on
ultrasound. I have the website
- Original Message -
From: "leanne wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ultrasound
--
This mailing list is
thanks Andrea---liz-- Original Message -
From: Andrea Quanchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:36 PMSubject: Re:
ultrasound
Hello lister,
Recently someone posted information on the effects
of U/S on the baby. Something like 'a speeding train in a
tunnel'. I had downloaded the article but have lost it.
Can someone help??
Liz
Denise,
this is uncanny - George Negus and Dimensions is on
my list of things to do/people to contact.
Liz
Alphia
Very interesting and good to know who's on our side - must be Alan
Ridgeway.
Senator Knowles has no idea, what a bletherer!!! and an idiot!!! Hers and
the government response to Rocking the Cradle, 1999 - childbirth procedures,
as well as any other 'medical procedure' are outside the juri
Perth
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:57
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:
Is this in Perth or here??Denise
- Original Message -
From:
elizabeth mcalpine
To
Debbie, this didn't go through.
Liz
- Original Message -
From: elizabeth
mcalpine
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:41 AM
Debbie,
I spoke to Julie who would pass the details to
Summer.
Howard Gretton, Channel 7,
93440731
I outlined what D
Denise,
I tried to reach you in Perth at the Community Midwifery Programme,
regarding a contact in Perth, channel 7, who seemed very interested in your
proposal.
Spoke to Julie who will pass on the message to Summer Goodwin, the PR
officer.
Liz
> Dear All
> I keep coming back to the need for
Dear Listers,
Proposals:
Vicki Chan & Nic Edmonstone to be the
educational arm of the Maternity Coalition in collaboration with a MC
co-ordinator and other educators in various towns and cities in
Australia.
Vicki & Nic - and others - to get to the below
mentioned conference to raise
Dear Listers,
Proposals:
Vicki Chan & Nic Edmonstone to be the
educational arm of the Maternity Coalition.
Vicki & Nic to get to the below mentioned
conference to raise the profile of the Maternity Coalition and
NMAP.
see www.osw.dpmc.gov.au/index.html
Conference: Australian Women
Attention Maternity Coalition and listers looking
for money to assist NMAP
www.grantslink.gov.au/
www.philanthropy.org.au
(view LINKS)
For interest, see www.osw.dpmc.gov.au/index.html
Conference: Australian Women Speak 2003
Canberra 30 March - 1st April.
Themes: "Young Women Speak"
Denise, I've been thinking the same myself.
Recently looking through lists who give grants for projects in health,
womens development etc etc - government and Philanthropy Australia.
Why couldn't the Maternity Coalition get a grant??
We have a terrific project don't we?
President Barb??
Liz
Title: Living and dying
Dear Sue,
I wanted to respond to say how sorry I am about the
loss of your friend. I also feel that in other hands your friend may
have been given more time - and that is your thinking, that if her mother was
there it wouldn't have happened, especially as you related
Hello listers,
Yesterday, I attended Vicki Chan & Nic
Edmonstone's 'Intuitive Workshop'. What a beautiful, emotive,
empowering, enlightening and fun day.
A day which -
reinforced my commitment to change childbirth
practices
refueled my passion to stop the conditioning which
the m
To add to the tale of woe..
Not ARM. Merely, a sims spec for a pap smear
at about 22 weeks pregnant.
"Just lie on your side", he said. In went the
sims with a pull on my rear (towards my neck it seemed)
I remember it still after 23 years.
Oh hells bells!! IT MUST CHANGE!!
Liz
feel that you'd
> like an epidural, that's an instance where you'd have to transfer out
> of the birth centre.
>
> Good luck with your paper.
>
> Love, Jen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "elizabeth mcalpine" <[EMAIL PROTEC
Dear Jane,
Many thanks for your prompt reply. However, my
suspicions are that the teaching in some hospitals might differ to yours, and am
seeking confirmation of that fact.
Yours is the type I advocate.
Liz
Dear List,
I need some help for a paper I'm doing.
In 1999, I attended antenatal classes with my
daughter. On pain, the discussion
progressed from nitrous oxide, pethidine to epidural, with nothing of the
functions of pain for the mother and baby in natural birth, nor endorphins nor
Dear Robin,
In modern times, the 1930s was a push for birth reform through women's
negative view of hospital birth.This was also the time of midwifery
regulation and outlawing and the increasing power of obstetrics.
The control of midwifery is very long standing, from about the 15th
century!
Dear List,
I have to share this book - it will make you howl
in anguish: it will reinforce your
determination to change childbirth practices in this country through the
NMAP.
Midwives must fight for natural birth.
Yes.. PUSH FOR BIRTH REFORM.
So, to those of us who may occasiona
..
- Original Message -
From:
elizabeth mcalpine
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:29
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Almost c/s -
horrid shift (VERY LONG!)
Jo, you did great - as did the
couple!!!
early
Dear List,
For interest
www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org/nwnm_org.html
Liz
Jo, you did great - as did the
couple!!!
early decelerations due to head compression are of
less concern than late, as you know, and in a multi who will dilate quickly the
stress put on all of you is just about typical of hospital and medicalised
birth.
I just hate the panic sometimes too -
Dear Jan,
Pure magic to read!!! What a high you must be on. More power to MC and
NMAP!!
love Liz
- Original Message -
From: "Jan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] SUNDAY AND MONDAY's GOOD NE
Barb;
This is great, but the government did not even support the senate enquiry
into childbirth practices, "Rocking the Cradle", 1999.
I do hope that someone from government takes it on.
Liz
- Original Message -
From: "Vernon at Stringybark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmid" <[EMAIL PROTEC
Circumstances caused me to miss the launch of NMAP
- and also the news.
Fill me in on the Melbourne launch,
please..
Liz
Brilliant
- Original Message -
From:
Heartlogic
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:05
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] A mans point
of view.
Mary
M, thanks so much for sending this item. The following is a response I sent to
I have to share this.
Tonight, I took Vicki's poster to my
local.
I had two with me. One, I gave to the
owner, holding the other. There were two girls there and one asked
to see it. "Oh, its beautiful!", she said, "Are you a
midwife?." I said yes, then she asked me about
Aviva, I just love this couple!!
I have arguments all the time about childbirth
education. For education, read INDOCTRINATION!!
The talks on drugs/epidurals don't tell the whole
story -
And people tell me its the woman's choice - which I
do not believe - its not fully informed, true choi
Dear Ricardo and list,
Great to have you on the list Ricardo, and more
power to you and Rehuna. At last, a very human obstetrician!!
Last year, when the "Best for Women" conference was
announced, I wrote to them asking if there was midwife representation, as we
really (??) wanted the sam
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