Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-28 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-06-28T11:11:00, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > >> Maybe you're right, maybe I should stop fighting it and go with the > >> firefox approach. > >> That certainly seemed to piss a lot of people off though... > > If there's one message I've learned in 13 years of work on Linux HA, > > then it is th

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 28/06/2013, at 12:52 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: >> Maybe you're right, maybe I should stop fighting it and go with the >> firefox approach. >> That certainly seemed to piss a lot of people off though... > > If there's one message I've learned in 13 years of work on Linux HA, > then it is

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-27 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-06-27T20:50:34, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > There was one :-) > I merged the best bits of three parallel CPG code paths. > The things that prompted the extra bits in one also applied to the others. Ah, that wasn't so obvious to me when I tried making sense of the commit. ;-) But that's clear

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 27/06/2013, at 5:40 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2013-06-27T14:28:19, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > >> I wouldn't say the 6 months between 1.1.7 and 1.1.8 was a particularly >> aggressive release cycle. > > For the amount of changes in there, I think yes. And the intrusive ones > didn't s

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-27 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-06-27T14:28:19, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > I wouldn't say the 6 months between 1.1.7 and 1.1.8 was a particularly > aggressive release cycle. For the amount of changes in there, I think yes. And the intrusive ones didn't show up all at the beginning of that cycle, either. That just made in

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-26 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 26/06/2013, at 10:37 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2013-06-26T21:31:14, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > >>> Distributions can take care of them when they integrate them; basically >>> they'll trickle through until the whole stack the distributions ship >>> builds again. >> If we let 2.0.x be a

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-26 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-06-26T21:31:14, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > Distributions can take care of them when they integrate them; basically > > they'll trickle through until the whole stack the distributions ship > > builds again. > If we let 2.0.x be anything like 1.1.x, I suspect this would be rather > difficul

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-26 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 26/06/2013, at 7:30 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2013-06-25T20:28:29, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > >>> Perhaps a numbering scheme like the Linux kernel would fit better than a >>> stable/unstable branch distinction. Changes that deserve the "unstable" >>> term are really really rare (and I

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-26 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-06-25T20:28:29, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > Perhaps a numbering scheme like the Linux kernel would fit better than a > > stable/unstable branch distinction. Changes that deserve the "unstable" > > term are really really rare (and I'm sure we've all learned from them), > > so it may be bette

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-25 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 25/06/2013, at 6:32 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2013-06-25T10:16:58, Andrey Groshev wrote: > >> Ok, I recently became engaged in the PСMK, so for me it is a surprize. >> The more so in all the major linux distributions version 1.1.х. > > Pacemaker has very strong regression and syst

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-25 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-06-25T10:16:58, Andrey Groshev wrote: > Ok, I recently became engaged in the PСMK, so for me it is a surprize. > The more so in all the major linux distributions version 1.1.х. Pacemaker has very strong regression and system tests, and barring accidents, it is usually very safe to always

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-24 Thread Andrey Groshev
25.06.2013, 09:49, "Andrew Beekhof" : > On 25/06/2013, at 2:33 PM, Andrey Groshev wrote: > >>  25.06.2013, 04:46, "Andrew Beekhof" : >>>  On 24/06/2013, at 3:44 PM, Vladislav Bogdanov wrote:   24.06.2013 04:17, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >   Either people have given up on testing, or rc5[1]

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-24 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 25/06/2013, at 2:33 PM, Andrey Groshev wrote: > > > 25.06.2013, 04:46, "Andrew Beekhof" : >> On 24/06/2013, at 3:44 PM, Vladislav Bogdanov wrote: >> >>> 24.06.2013 04:17, Andrew Beekhof wrote: Either people have given up on testing, or rc5[1] is looking good for the final rel

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-24 Thread Andrey Groshev
25.06.2013, 04:46, "Andrew Beekhof" : > On 24/06/2013, at 3:44 PM, Vladislav Bogdanov wrote: > >>  24.06.2013 04:17, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >>>  Either people have given up on testing, or rc5[1] is looking good for the >>> final release. >>  Is it going to be 1.1.10 or 1.2.0 (2.0.0)? > > First i

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-24 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 24/06/2013, at 3:44 PM, Vladislav Bogdanov wrote: > 24.06.2013 04:17, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >> Either people have given up on testing, or rc5[1] is looking good for the >> final release. > > Is it going to be 1.1.10 or 1.2.0 (2.0.0)? First its going to be 1.1.10 and, if there is still no-o

Re: [Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-23 Thread Vladislav Bogdanov
24.06.2013 04:17, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > Either people have given up on testing, or rc5[1] is looking good for the > final release. Is it going to be 1.1.10 or 1.2.0 (2.0.0)? > > So just a reminder, we're particularly looking for feedback in the following > areas: > > | plugin-based clusters

[Pacemaker] Reminder: Pacemaker-1.1.10-rc5 is out there

2013-06-23 Thread Andrew Beekhof
Either people have given up on testing, or rc5[1] is looking good for the final release. So just a reminder, we're particularly looking for feedback in the following areas: | plugin-based clusters, ACLs, the new –ban and –clear commands, and admin actions | (such as moving and stopping resour