[PAYCO] Re: focused practical action

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Izwe Lethu Cdes. I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process faster is the following; 1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or under a very matured mediation team. 2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NE

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Linda Ndebele
Any initiative aimed at getting PAC right has to be supported. I am in and will lobby other comrades and branches to do the same. Izwe lethu! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" Sender: payco@googlegroups.com

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
M’Afrika Comrade Linda, Comrade and Comrade Charge-in and all, from words to action, are comrades willing to mobilise fellow comrades-branches and form part of an open and inclusive meeting to consider all options including those proposed by Cde Linda? We must bring into one pot all initia

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Linda Ndebele
Comrades, The levels of factionalism in our party makes one doubt any possibility of getting the party right. The level of engagement is below par and mainly focuses on attacking personalities. I maintain my view that our engagements lacks practical steps towards resolving the myriad of problem

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread chargein461
Comrades, I have been following your discussions attentively. Everyone is concerned even us who are outside PAC. We are what we are because of teaching and skills invested to us by PAC. We are expected to celebrate when PAC is in deep crisis and claim to vindicated. Instead, we are deeply hurt

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Cde. Ndima In Sesotho they say tlala ke manyala because people who are hungry and desperate for alcohol they will be rented for everything. I think Thomas Sankara was right to say that a soldier with no proper ideology is dangerous and I think this is what you are sharply raising. It is true

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Cde. Raymond I think it is order that you clarify the situation surrounding Cde Moloto. In the first place when an NEC of PAC is divided how will it function and at the same time did those people put at leadership helm at Butterworth never learned the past mistakes and errors committed by the

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Tongogara Ndima
Comrade Zondo Your statement makes sense but you are dishonest. Cde Moloto has been paying for yourself and Eddie Mfulwane to attend NEC meetings and support his positions as far back as 11 May 2013. Your PAYCO is not driving any PAC Programmes among the youths in the country buts has been a votin

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
M'Afrika I fully agree with M'Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a n

Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Dear Cdes. There is no point to attend a national caucus where people speak to themselves by entrenching wrong doings. When some of us we comradely and maturely approached Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Mphethi not to stand for Presidency little did we know that amateurish behaviours will resu

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest of the people they serve out there. Let me assure you pretending there is no need to have an elected NEC organising a conference and rather pre

RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe Lethu M'AFrika Masoga Kindly share with us the purpose and objective of this National Caucus and the agenda, such that we can sensitise comrades about it. Is this the first meeting or not, if there was another meeting kindly share the minutes or outcomes. We will form part on any initiativ

Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread mphirim
Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself does not necessarily mean that if Afr

RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe lethu M'Afrika While I share the same sentiments with those advanced by comrade Linda, one dimension which we tend to omit is that we adopt a generalist approach and place all under the same political line, pertain the state of the party. Indeed, we should take collective blame however PAC

Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

2014-09-04 Thread Linda Ndebele
Greetings comrades, Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they accept that the party is getting weaker each

RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
M'Afrika Masoga Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energ

[PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

2014-09-04 Thread mphirim
Revolutionary Greetings MaAfrika A Mahle An invitation is extended to a PAC National Caucus that already met on the 30/08/14 and will continue as follows: Date: 13/09/14 Time: 09:00 for 10:00 - 17:00 Venue : Tshwane : Boardroom 209 Ouraadsaal, opposite Standard Bank next to Church Square