Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

Oh, wasn't the metaphor clear, really? well, no problem, here you go then... once more... We don't care to know if someone says; "Hey, I got a clarinet", we wanna know what he is doing with it, in a sense that it'd make more sense if the person would come and say; "Hey, check out, look what I do

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

Hello Honki, On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, red honki wrote: > hi, > i am honki. > i do some designs about puredata. > > illustration: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157607652279654/ > > gui: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4522863658/ > > The designs are cool! I just don't

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

András Murányi wrote: One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik. There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit. Really? Which one? As a comment on t

[PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing (was: phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: signal?)

Sorry, if you receive that mail twice. It seems it didn't make it through the list the first time. In the meanwhile, Frank already mentioned it: A clock-exact phase reset is needed. I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one seeing that need. On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 02:10 -0700, Jaime Oliver wrote:

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. Btw- I don't mean "this will be a 'Hello World' for Pd at some future point in its development." I just mean it's a good way for users to test how flexible and expressive their software is in a live setting. I mean let's face it-- you crash at

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing (was: phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: signal?)

Ah yes. This is a really good point. I just read through your whole email Roman and this brings back all those times I was trying to get a click free phase reset in an oscillator but never bothered to debug it in enough detail to see that this was indeed a block boundary problem. You are right

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

ej bonitos just pasting some mustard to this topic too: in german there's a saying "wenn der bauer nicht schwimmern kann liegts an der badehose" translated somehow: "when the farmer can't swim it's because of his bathing trunks" so it's about swimming not dancing! crossfading salutis ø & don't

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

>Oh, wasn't the metaphor clear, really? nope >well, no problem, here you go then... once more... there you go >We don't care to know if someone says; "Hey, I got a clarinet", we wanna know >what he is doing with it, in a sense that it'd make more sense if the person >would come and say; "

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

segmented and curvy cords comes with another patching design, like in maxMSP where almost all the time the messages order doesn't have an importance. Also it's said by some users that max patches works better when everything is in the same subpatch, and that is not the case with pd. Many ot

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

This (rather pointless) discussion is really clogging the list since ages now, whithout IMHO giving any real suggestion on improvements for Pd... It started IIRC with someone coming to mailing list about software A and sayng "hey software B is much better ("smoother", uh?) than A which sucks"..

[PD] bin_ambi for linux

Hi everyone Is the bin_ambi library available for linux? Does anybody knows where to download it? Thanks ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: > show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. That interests me. Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by "mixing"? Then I'd be also interested in what way Pd fails and how another software (you name it) succeeds in doing it c

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing

> Actually, I think (it's not the first time I say that, I guess), that > all inlets of object classes, which have signal outlets (or all > objects that convert from message domain to signal domain) should > take the exact timing into account. Yeah! No object should be left out! Every single obje

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 20:23 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: > Actual dance floors musics needs a very large handset of tools that also > require > best technologies for avoiding sound loss > and having the sound responding correctly through all sound systems. Are you implying there was no dan

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing

On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 16:00 +0200, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: > > Actually, I think (it's not the first time I say that, I guess), that > > all inlets of object classes, which have signal outlets (or all > > objects that convert from message domain to signal domain) should > > take the exact timi

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

just uploaded 2 vanilla workouts. these are not tracks. just me jamming in the staffroom of the school where i work. not sure if they will change anyone's mind on anything, but i think they show a bit of dynamic range and the possibilities offered by vanilla pd and perseverance. http://soundclou

Re: [PD] bin_ambi for linux

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Konstantinos Benardis wrote: > Hi everyone > > Is the bin_ambi library available for linux? Does anybody knows where to > download it? > https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/iem/iem_bin_ambi mghasdr IOhannes

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd

>>> Matteo Sisti Sette a ?crit : Frank wrote: > It's not so much the tool, as it is the skills that makes music > sound good. That is true for really good tools. Needless to say that Pd is one of them. > > sorry, I might going to be rude, > >  but I've never heard some musi

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

I'm really asking about the use of puredata, what places could it have in the sound process, for the moment it is very good for making some noises or fx processing, and so cool for driving openGl or sdl. But I'd like to put this software at a more important place, like mixing all intruments, s

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

There is little doubt that dance music dominates popular music, and has done so for eternity, but it certainly does not encompass all that is "good music". Just because you feel the urge to move your body to music that is not dance-centric, i.e., you rock to Beethoven, or Liszt, or Charlie Par

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

thank you for those pieces, this show what pd is good for, electroacoustic music... I'd like to ask you about the first one called 'Makeitmakeitmakeit' are cymbals pd made? also why there is no structure, did you make this choice by your own, or did the tools you've used where too limited t

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing

hi Right. There is [vsnapshot~], which does something similar, though it's > not truely converting from audio domain to message domain, since only > the resulting value is taken from the audio domain, whereas the timing > still comes from the message domain. From what I know, the message comes >

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing

ypatios escribió: There is [vsnapshot~] [...] >> From what I know, the message comes one block late. but you can bang vsnapshot~ faster than the block rate and it seems it works fine. so there must be no one-block delay. I don't know whether the messages come a block later or not, but the

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing

what if a timer between bang and vsnapshot's reaction shows 0? -- ypatios ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing

ypatios escribió: what if a timer between bang and vsnapshot's reaction shows 0? I'm not sure whether this proves or disproves the one-block-delay hypothesis. Experts of the insides of how Pd's data/dsp processing loop works can certainly answer on that - and I'm very curious too -- Matte

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Le vendredi 16 avril 2010 à 10:18 -0700, Jaime Oliver a écrit : > Hey Jack, > > > You need to put pix_hand.cpp and pix_hand.h (from the > 07-apr-10-current folder) in the Pixes folder in Gem, and compile it > like you regularly do. Yes, it is what i did before. So i can create the [pix_hand] (wi

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Hello Jaime, I would like to use your Mano Controller, but encounter some problems. I compile GEM with pix_hand and can create the [pix_hand] object. However, when i try to open main.pd (from /hand/track), i get in Pd console : /home/jack/Bureau/hand/track/../externals/best_match.pd_linux: /home

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

uh I missed roman inputs, fortunately there are the archives " Are you implying there was no dance music since the 80's? How bad will actual 'best technologies' will be in a few years? Is that a discussion about certain aesthethics you're looking for or about technical possibilities? " I took d

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 12:53 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: > >> show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. > > That interests me. Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by > >

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing (was: phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: signal?)

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:37:37PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > To sum it up, in most cases exact timing can be achieved, but the exact > timing for the phase reset is _really_ missing (and is actually > essential). Well, Mike's version for a clock-accurate phasor~ clone actually is pretty good a

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

Hi, On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 03:19:50PM +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: > segmented and curvy cords comes with another patching design, > like in maxMSP where almost all the time the messages order doesn't have an > importance. Huh? Maybe in Max there is no difference between x-y and y-x? Ci

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

Hi, On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 02:18:17PM +0200, olsen wrote: > ej bonitos just pasting some mustard to this topic too: in german > there's a saying "wenn der bauer nicht schwimmern kann liegts an der > badehose" I didn't know this one, it's very good. As we've started the quoting business, I recentl

[PD] Zen Garden re-implementing the wheel in C++?

Hey List. Just came across Zen Garden: http://wiki.github.com/mhroth/ZenGarden/ Seems like the RJDJ crew is re-implementing PD in C++, in it's full object-oriented glory. I'm excited about the idea of a more object-oriented approach, and especially with the idea of ditching all the Tk/Tcl garba

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

> > > I'll be connected later to tell you what gem version I am using. Are > > you using pd extended or vanilla? I use vanilla and gem from svn, but > > can't remember what version i have in my linux box. > Pd-extended 0.41.4 and GEM 0.92-3. > could you try vanilla and gem alone? J __

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Lorenzo wrote: - Switch to some other greater, uhm.. smother :), software Wait, what is this thread about : [A] make Pd smoother [B] make Pd smother _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1

[PD] pd and multi-core processors

can someone tell me if one instance of pd (with gem) can use more than one core on multi-core processor? Beyond the new stuff with [pd~], there is also threading in new versions of [soundfiler], and there is some threading in the input/output modules of GEM, such as cameras. There is also

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Hey Jack, You need to put pix_hand.cpp and pix_hand.h (from the 07-apr-10-current folder) in the Pixes folder in Gem, and compile it like you regularly do. about best_match, you should have a best_match.pd_linux and you can put it in the extra folder or make a path to ../externals/best_match/ Oth

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

>without a good media, we can't get good results Guess my point wasnt clear yet. I'm saying every media has its potential, there's no "good" or "bad", anything can be best applied for some purpose, even a "shitty" clarinet... it can produce sounds irregularly and with spectral content that other c

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

I just opened the patch you sent me and have no problems... On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Jaime Oliver wrote: > mmh, > > I've never gotten that. > are you in 64 bit? > > the other possibility is that you have the camera driver in 640x480 and it > is just too much. > > what happens if you open

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

On Apr 16, 2010, at 5:45 AM, András Murányi wrote: Hello Honki, On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, red honki wrote: hi, i am honki. i do some designs about puredata. illustration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157607652279654/ gui: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4522863658/

Re: [PD] externals/template/

On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote : IMHO, the best plan going forward for all these great network objects would to make them a standalone library based on externals/ template. Instead of talking like that, can you just state your agenda abo

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Le vendredi 16 avril 2010 à 11:43 -0700, Jaime Oliver a écrit : > mmh, > > > I've never gotten that. > are you in 64 bit? No 32. Ubuntu 9.10, pd-extended 0.41.4 and GEM 0.92-3. > > > the other possibility is that you have the camera driver in 640x480 > and it is just too much. But i don't use

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, red honki wrote: > >> hi, >> i am honki. >> i do some designs about puredata. >> >> illustration: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157607652279654/ >> >> gui: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4522863658/ >> >> > The designs are cool! > I just

[PD] [PD-announce] GridFlow 9.8 ready-to-use

Thanks for the mac support - nice stuff! :) Thanks to Patrick Boivin for his work on better OSX support, and on making packages for OSX and Ubuntu. For the upcoming version, 9.9, there is another wave of additional OSX support, which is still not going to be as much supported as Ubuntu but

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

>From: colet.patr...@free.fr > >sorry, I might going to be rude, > >but I've never heard some music completely made with PureData that really >sound good. >From: hard@gmail.com > >just uploaded 2 vanilla workouts. these are not tracks. just me jamming in >the staffroom of the school where i

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

"(sorry to continue this thread) Matt" By the way, I am Really sorry too... please forgive me. alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. That interests me. Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by "mixing"? Interesting, I was more concerned by the use of the word « corre

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

I have to leave right now. I'll be connected later to tell you what gem version I am using. Are you using pd extended or vanilla? I use vanilla and gem from svn, but can't remember what version i have in my linux box. I also know i am using 64 bit, but that shouldn't be a problem if you're compil

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Hey Jaime i can only talk for me ;-) I like it a lotthe MANO controller. And its just one object ??? Very cool work... please organize concerts in europe, or better germany Thumbs up ciao luigi Am 16.04.2010 um 23:46 schrieb pd-list-requ...@iem.at: > hello everyone, > >>>

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 19:24 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: > uh I missed roman inputs, fortunately there are the archives > > " > Are you implying there was no dance music since the 80's? How bad will > actual 'best technologies' will be in a few years? Is that a discussion > about certain a

Re: [PD] phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: exact timing (was: phasor~ and osc~ right inlet: signal?)

Thanks, Frank, for mentioning it again and confirming that it works. I'll definitely check this one out. Also many thanks to Mike who provided the patch. Roman On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 20:19 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:37:37PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > > To sum it

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Le vendredi 16 avril 2010 à 11:59 -0700, Jaime Oliver a écrit : > I have to leave right now. OK. > > > I'll be connected later to tell you what gem version I am using. Are > you using pd extended or vanilla? I use vanilla and gem from svn, but > can't remember what version i have in my linux box.

Re: [PD] pd and multi-core processors

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > there is some threading in the input/output modules of GEM, such as > cameras. > Could someone say a little bit more about this? J -- Jaime E Oliver LR www.jaimeoliver.pe 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) 9168 Regents Rd. Apt.

Re: [PD] pd and multi-core processors

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Jaime Oliver wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:  there is some threading in the input/output modules of GEM, such as cameras.   Could someone say a little bit more about this? yeah, but *which* little bit more do you want ? _ _ __ ___

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

Hey Luigi, It is only one object that does the tracking. there is another one to achieve continuity between the variables and across frames. (i.e. to know that a finger in one frame is the same finger in the next frame...) other than those two objects, it is all vanilla pd and latest gem. > > Ve

Re: [PD] pd and multi-core processors

What do you mean by "some threading". I am particularly interested in the input modules (cameras), but in general to know what threading is being accomplished there. perhaps a general blurb of where and how is this being accomplished in gem. furthermore, and this is a general question. If there we

Re: [PD] second instrument/piece in the silent percussion project...

mmh, I've never gotten that. are you in 64 bit? the other possibility is that you have the camera driver in 640x480 and it is just too much. what happens if you open a blank patch and create a pix_hand object? J On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jack wrote: > Le vendredi 16 avril 2010 à 10:1

Re: [PD] pd and multi-core processors

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Jaime Oliver wrote: What do you mean by "some threading". I am particularly interested in the input modules (cameras), pthread is used in [pix_film], [pix_image], [pix_movie], and also in the V4L, V4L2 and DV4L modules of [pix_video]. Pthreads may also be used implicitly

Re: [PD] pd and multi-core processors

thanks... J On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Jaime Oliver wrote: > > What do you mean by "some threading". I am particularly interested in the >> input modules (cameras), >> > > pthread is used in [pix_film], [pix_image], [pix_movie], and also in th

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

In every field of art and also in apllied arts, the aesthetics is always related to the means of production available. This is true for music, for achitecture and even for industrial design. Let's take the concrete, for example. Some of the early architecture produced with concrete, was attempts t

Re: [PD] Zen Garden re-implementing the wheel in C++?

I apoligize for the perhaps poor choice of words. I wasn't bashing tcl in general, but only meant that there seems to be a fairly large sentiment that it doesn't belong in the interface between client and server processes. -s On Apr 16, 2010 9:02 PM, errordevelo...@gmail.com

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Ariane stolfi wrote: From: Ariane stolfi Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: colet.patr...@free.fr Cc: "pd-list" , reduzie...@yahoo.de Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 1:49 AM In every field of art and also in apllied arts, the aesthetic

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: colet.patr...@free.fr, "Ariane stolfi" Cc: "pd-list" , reduzie...@yahoo.de Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 4:30 AM --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Ariane stolfi wrote:

Re: [PD] Zen Garden re-implementing the wheel in C++?

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Spencer Russell wrote: I'm excited about the idea of a more object-oriented approach, Pd's implementation was made with an object-oriented approach. You can't get much more object-oriented than that. If you mean that the object-oriented approach has been implemented usin

[PD] keycode 92: dropped

I've been complaining that we should be able to use "$0" in messages for the sake of simplicity. Apparently you can if you use "\" before it... BUT... Pd does not allow you to write it... as if it REALLY did not want you to do it... there are many things wrong with the backslash. if i put 92

Re: [PD] keycode 92: dropped

so, is it a random bug? I thought it was on purpose... because of the no "$0" on messages philosophy... more on that, if you type $0 in a sumbol box, the backlash appears there... if the message is sent through this symbol box, the $0 can actually function as it should on messages... cheers 2010

Re: [PD] keycode 92: dropped

>if i put 92 through [makefilename %c] oh, 44 gives back wierd stuff too "\\," 2010/4/17 Mathieu Bouchard > > I've been complaining that we should be able to use "$0" in messages for >> the sake of simplicity. Apparently you can if you use "\" before it... >> BUT... Pd does not allow you to wr