On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jeffrey Concepcion
wrote:
> that works fine for sending audio to and from live and pd, but not midi (as
> far as i know). if anyone knows how to send midi to and from live and pd
> (having live's metronome in charge). midi ox/ midi yoke is extremely
> glitchy, it c
frey Concepcion wrote:
From: Jeffrey Concepcion
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
To: "Alexandre Porres" , "pd-list"
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 1:57 PM
that works fine for sending audio to and from live and pd, but not midi (
that works fine for sending audio to and from live and pd, but not midi (as
far as i know). if anyone knows how to send midi to and from live and pd
(having live's metronome in charge). midi ox/ midi yoke is extremely
glitchy, it constantly sends signals that turn things on and off within
live, mak
"i can't remember exactly where i read this, sorry. but i'd really like to be
able to use the vst object to run it in ableton. Jeff"
Hey, why don't you just create a bridge between Live + Pd with Jack?
Alex
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i can't remember exactly where i read this, sorry. but i'd really like to be
able to use the vst object to run it in ableton.
Jeff
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
> > the last i read about the [vst] object in Pd was that is was generally
> > defective (can anyone confirm or
Hallo,
Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> I'd just add that one could start from the end of 3.audio.examples
> and 4.data.structures to get a decent overall idea of what Pd is capable
> of doing.
I learned most of the basic Pd knowledge from these patches (and the
html-ma
li wrote:
>
> > From: Roman Haefeli
> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
> compare?
> > To: "Jonathan Wilkes"
> > Cc: "Marco Donnarumma" , pd-list@iem.at, "Matteo
> Sisti Sette" , m...@artengine.ca
&
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> From: Roman Haefeli
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes"
> Cc: "Marco Donnarumma" , pd-list@iem.at, "Matteo Sisti
> Sette" , m...@arte
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> From: Frank Barknecht
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these,
> compare?
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 7:08 PM
> Hallo,
> Pierre Massat hat gesagt: // Pierre Massat
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:02 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
> --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli wrote:
>
> > From: Roman Haefeli
> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
> > compare?
> > To: "Marco Donnarumma"
Hallo,
Pierre Massat hat gesagt: // Pierre Massat wrote:
> Another thing that'd be nice to make available for new users would be a
> comprehensive set of generic patches, which would cover the whole range of
> DSP audio. A little bit like Puckette's audio help patches, only on a higher
> level (st
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> From: Roman Haefeli
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
> To: "Marco Donnarumma"
> Cc: "Jonathan Wilkes" , pd-list@iem.at, "Matteo Sisti
> Sette" , m...@arte
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:58 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> Talking about Pd It's fundamental to learn how things works, imho.
Pd is the fundament for learning how things work. That was my experience
(and still is).
Roman
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> I'm almost finished revising the docs: 2.control.examples,
> 3.audio.examples, 4.data.structures, and 5.reference. I'll post them to
> the list when I'm done (should be shortly).
>
>
cool!
> >Anyway learning Pd is _not_ easy and it doesn't have to be. Hence the
> >learning curve and learning
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Michal Seta wrote:
> From: Michal Seta
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these,
> compare?
> To: "Pierre Massat"
> Cc: "PD list" , "Matteo Sisti Sette"
> , "Marco Donnarumma&
Hi Pierre,
You raise some interesting questions. I teach pd occasionally or just
help newbies to get their feet wet, get off the ground or simply help
with some specific projects. I will address some of the issues you
raise below but note that my comments are not exhaustive nor
definitive:
On T
--- On Thu, 3/18/10, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
From: Marco Donnarumma
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
To: "Jonathan Wilkes"
Cc: quietdi...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:38 PM
>Hi Jonathan,
>I thi
Hi all,
I only know Pd and i've been using it for only a year and a half, so i don't
have anything interesting at all concerning the comparison with other
softwares. But since many of you have been discussing Pd's documentation,
i'd like to share my own experience and point to something Pd-newbies
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:02 AM, saint wrote:
> But I also can't wait for it to evolve into a more user friendly and
> intuitive program (not at the expense of it's simplicity though!).
>
Is that an oxymoron?
>
> "Well, I was using Pure Data wy before it could emit a speaker
> beep..."
Marco Donnarumma escribió:
Well, what is reasonable is quite subjective though.
You have a point :)
> Anyway I referred
to a "global" comparison, as you said the (_computing_) domain of both
do overlap, but I specified the importance that IMHO the community
supporting the project has.
I pe
n Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
> --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> From: Marco Donnarumma
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
> compare?
> To: quietdi...@gmail.com
> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> Dat
> Well I think Max and PD _are_ quite comparable; their domains do overlap
> quite a lot, though of course they are not identical.
> And though it is absurd to state that one is plainly better than the other,
> it _is_ reasonable to discuss in which aspects one is better and in which
> others the o
hard off escribió:
i hope you got paid. because he certainly is.
Yes indeed he did pay me. On an earlier occasion, in which he wasn't
paid at all (before he entered at Harvard), he also paid me. He is a
very nice guy :)
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matteosistise...@gmail.com
http://www.matteosi
>>
By the way I once collaborated with a guy who composes electroacustic music
and now is doing a Ph.D. at Harvard University (I made some Pd patches for a
piece he wrote)<<
i hope you got paid. because he certainly is.
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Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> I personally think there is nothing to >compare. All of them are quite
> separate environments, and i mean not only >computing capabilities,
> flexibility and GUI, but above all each community >supporting the
> projects.
Well I think Max and PD _are_ quite comparable; t
Sorry for previous mistake.
I feel concerned because i have been using all of these softwares. It all
started with Reaktor, which is clearly music-oriented (though some people
are able to make video games on it !). I had a lot of fun and headaches. It
was a good introduction to modular-environment.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jonathan Wilkes
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
>compare?
> To: quietdi...@gmail.com, Marco Donnarumma
> Cc: pd-lis
I do think that a big snag in the learning curve for some people is the initial
provision of only very basic building blocks.
You pretty much have to download Pd and then get Miller's book (what I did) or
FLOSS Manual/Andy Farnell's etc. (God I really want Andy's book! Broke atm!)
and then devo
--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
From: Marco Donnarumma
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
To: quietdi...@gmail.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:16 AM
>As many other said before, I personally think there
> 2010/3/17 András Murányi
>
>
>
>> Remember, ancient people used to make their instruments, sometimes taking
>> a lot of time.
>> Actually, whatever i'm operating, i find it an advantage to know how it
>> works inside, and an ultimate advantage to operate my own creation.
>> 2 cents, Andras
>>
>
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:58 PM, john saylor wrote:
> ciao
>
> > Gareth Loy with the title 'The Composer Seduced into Programming'
> > "It is important to note just what the
> > seducing agent in these cases really is. It is certainly not carpentry or
> > programming, or we would have ceased as a
ciao
> Gareth Loy with the title 'The Composer Seduced into Programming'
> "It is important to note just what the
> seducing agent in these cases really is. It is certainly not carpentry or
> programming, or we would have ceased as artists and become tradesmen. It is
> really the will of the compo
>
> mmm, I can't get what you mean here by "smoother".
> Best,
>
> M
>
>
> Ah, by saying smoother, I feel that Pd produce a more harsh noise. I can
here a little bit of click on my windows. While on my Mac,when using mlr
application (a sampler for monome) the Pd and the Max version, I also feel
tha
As many other said before, I personally think there is nothing to compare.
All of them are quite separate environments, and i mean not only computing
capabilities, flexibility and GUI, but above all each community supporting
the projects.
"this" is not better than "that", it's only about what fit b
--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Lorenzo wrote:
From: Lorenzo
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 9:03 AM
[...]
I guess this comes up frequently in 'computer-based' music discussions.
I think it de
> the last i read about the [vst] object in Pd was that is was generally
> defective (can anyone confirm or correct this?).
Jeffrey, do you know where you read this?
I would certainly be interested to hear about bug reports.
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Hi Didit,
Sorry for long post.. but the topic is ever so fascinating :)
Sorry for bringing this old thread up, I find Alex's opinion very
interesting. Actually I kinda feel that using Pd, I'm stuck in the
process of "making the instrument instead of the music" kinda situation.
I guess this come
Sorry for bringing this old thread up, I find Alex's opinion very
interesting. Actually I kinda feel that using Pd, I'm stuck in the process
of "making the instrument instead of the music" kinda situation.Even though
at first, I can custom made an instrument specific to what I want, I ended
up exha
hi,
Here are MY thoughts:
As a composer attending composition courses in brazilian universities I was
presented with the idea that MAX was "professional" and "stable. and pd
"experimental" and "unstable". Another given point is that MAX had some
wonderful capabilities that Pd might never, giving
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion <
jeffreyconcepc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From an audio processing perspective...
>
> My first introduction to a visual programming environment was Reaktor, then
> Max, then Pd. Only recently did i find out about plogue bidule. As far as
> interfac
>From an audio processing perspective...
My first introduction to a visual programming environment was Reaktor, then
Max, then Pd. Only recently did i find out about plogue bidule. As far as
interface goes they seem quite similar, and one obviously must consider that
the commercial products have c
Hallo,
Dafydd Hughes hat gesagt: // Dafydd Hughes wrote:
> Pd won 9-6, but several people pointed out that since there was only
> one person on the MAX team and two on Pd, maybe the score should have
> been 6-4.5 in MAX's favour. Before the final Pong match the score was
> 4-2 for Pd. We then won
Hi folks
So the event was a success - lots of fun, good-natured competition,
beer and general nonsense.
Pd won 9-6, but several people pointed out that since there was only
one person on the MAX team and two on Pd, maybe the score should have
been 6-4.5 in MAX's favour. Before the final Pong matc
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Dafydd Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Competitors: Frank Tsonis vs. Dafydd Hughes and David McCallum
While I play for the Pd team, I find this rather unfair, 2 on 1. But
on the other hand, most Max users I've met think that Max is twice as
good so I guess th
This sounds like all kinds of awesome. I second (third?) the call to
document.
BTW, us Max users dont just hate puppies. We eat them! And vote for
McCain! WE ARE EVIL!
I really hope people trash talk during the contest, Oh man, that
would just be awesomely hysterical.
On Jul 16, 2008, at
Oh, definitely want to see a vid of this one. That would be great!
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Dafydd Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're the second person who's mentioned video or streaming. There's a
> pretty good chance we'll record it - streaming is less likely. I'll
> make sure
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Mathieu Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So, how is the Pd community in Toronto nowadays?
Ask me again next Friday.
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You're the second person who's mentioned video or streaming. There's a
pretty good chance we'll record it - streaming is less likely. I'll
make sure I post links to whatever video we make.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM, PSPunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi there.
>
> Sounds like a great eve
Hey folks
Just in case there are Pd users hanging about in or around Toronto
that I'm not in regular contact with who don't have anything to do
next Thursday night. This is bound to be loads of fun. All the
participants are really cool and funny people.
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i use both.
pidip/pdp/Gem is my choice for live performance. I use freeframe in both and
now frei0r
i enjoy the challenge of compiling myself but simply use jitter to keep up with
the JOnes'
Modul8 & isadora are much more useful nowadays too.
pp
Joe Reinsel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
Joe Reinsel a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for anyone on the list who might be able to talk about
> similarites and difference of PD/PDP/PiDiP/GEM and MAX/MSP/Jitter.
>
> I am interested in hearing most about experiences with video processing
> in PD.
hello,
i'm not really working with vid
Hallo,
IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Isabel Pires wrote:
> >
> > I wish and hope that PD had segmented patch cords soon.
>
> weird that both you and joe really wish for that feature.
> for me, it is one of the most annoying things (equal to the "hide
> patchcor
Isabel Pires wrote:
>
> I wish and hope that PD had segmented patch cords soon.
>
>
weird that both you and joe really wish for that feature.
for me, it is one of the most annoying things (equal to the "hide
patchcord" thingy) i experience when i have to open a max-patch.
but that of course i
I was using GEM for most of my projects in the past but run into
problems recently... otoh I got very good support from the jitter
community, so I switched to max for my current projects.
the problem with GEM is that there are not enough people working on the
development. someone has to step up
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Subject: Re: [PD] PD & MAX
yeah that is what I was thinking. I am an experienced Jitter user that the Uni
I am teaching at does not have the money for the licenses. Jitter has
always been my standby for many pr
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Joe Reinsel wrote:
I am looking for anyone on the list who might be able to talk about
similarites and difference of PD/PDP/PiDiP/GEM and MAX/MSP/Jitter.
If you want anything that is much like Jitter's matrices you'd need
GridFlow instead of GEM/PDP; for that topic it's th
Well, Ive used both, I use Jitter pretty much exclusively. I suggest
using PD Extended to help with the install, GEM is nice and fast for
most things, but is more suited to 3D (GEM is a wrapper for OpenGL,
not video exclusively, so inherits some of that in its design), than
to video per se.
yeah that is what I was thinking. I am an experienced Jitter user that the
Uni I am teaching at does not have the money for the licenses.
Jitter has always been my standby for many projects but I think PD will
work for this class next semester.
I just wish PD had segmented patch cords.
On Dec
Hi,
I am looking for anyone on the list who might be able to talk about
similarites and difference of PD/PDP/PiDiP/GEM and MAX/MSP/Jitter.
I am interested in hearing most about experiences with video processing in
PD.
thanks,
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