Hi Miller,
Here's a more detailed example. I've found that this problem is particularly
obvious with minpower. The sound file I'm playing through sigmund has peaks
varying mostly between 60 and 80, with occasional peaks around 90 (according to
sigmund's env output). To my understanding the
Hmm..sounds like somethng's not workng rght.
I'm traveling this week then booked solid next week, but I'll try to get
a look at this when I can.
cheers
Miller
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:48:48AM -0700, Benoît Fortier wrote:
Hi Miller,
Here's a more detailed example. I've found that this
Dear list,
I've been working on a patch for quite a few months now which involves pitch
tracking. I've explored many possible solutions, considering the pros and cons
of every approach, made different tests, etc. I've also done a lot of reading
(help files, forums, etc), but I couldn't find
Haven't tried [sigmund~], but [fiddle~] and [helmholtz~] (the latter by
Katja Vetter) and I found [both fine but [helmholtz~] a bit better for my
taste. I think it's a bit more responsive. What if you combine this with
[env~] for example and this way you get pitch and amplitude...
On Wed, Mar
Thanks for your reply. Yes I did some testing with fiddle and Helmholtz, If I
need to I'll get to that in an other question.
My question wasn't clear enough sorry about that. I would like first to clarify
some aspect of the sigmund notes mode which seems very straight forward in
the help file,
Ok folks, never mind, I did some more testing with sigmund~ and I do now see
that minpower and growth seems to be working. It works in a way I'm not quite
sure to understand so I find it hard to use those parameters in a meaningful,
predictable way, but I guess that's because of my limited
I presume you found the (very short) mention in the subppatch of the
help wnidow (pd setting-parameters).
Basically, if the measured signal power is less than minpower (expressed
in dB) then the reported instantaneous potch is zero and no new notes will
be reports (and this can give rise to
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 02:45:38PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-02-25 à 09:34:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit :
Yes, exactly. I often use data structures, well, as data structures and
almost never use them for scores in a UPIC sense.
What's UPIC ?
I was referring to the UPIC
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:40:52AM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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Le 2012-02-24 à
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:26:54PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
I have Pd-extended 42.5 that contains Michał Seta's sort, which used to
be cubic (O(n³)) and with even lower sorting limits, until I made you
replace the O(n²) [list-drip] that used O(n) stack, by one that runs in
O(n)
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 09:38:20AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:26:54PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
I have Pd-extended 42.5 that contains Michał Seta's sort, which used to
be cubic (O(n³)) and with even lower sorting limits, until I made you
replace
Le 2012-02-25 à 09:34:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit :
Yes, exactly. I often use data structures, well, as data structures and
almost never use them for scores in a UPIC sense.
What's UPIC ?
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Le 2012-02-25 à 09:45:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit :
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 09:38:20AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:26:54PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
I don't know any more recent version of list-abs.
To me the home of [list]-abs is the CVS repository,
Oops,
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:14:22PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-02-18 à 09:58:00, Miller Puckette a écrit :
I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should
be a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best
design. (and there's probably already
Hi,
attached is an approach using data structures to do the sorting of peaks.
Somehow I forgot how to set the sort field in a data structure and cannot find
it in the docs. Wasn't there some way to specify a different field than x for
sorting? (Maybe it was simply sort fielname which I didn't try
It's odd, but it never occurred to me that one should be able to specify
which field(s) to sort on -- it's x, then y. I should fix this...
cheers
Miller
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 06:46:08PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
attached is an approach using data structures to do the sorting of
Le 2012-02-24 à 09:51:00, Miller Puckette a écrit :
It's odd, but it never occurred to me that one should be able to specify
which field(s) to sort on -- it's x, then y. I should fix this...
Nearly all the music I ever composed used a vertical time axis. Lots of
people are in this
Le 2012-02-24 à 09:02:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit :
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:14:22PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
the [list-sort] abstraction uses a high-constant O(n²) algorithm that
breaks once you try to sort more than 125 values.
Actually [list-sort] since quite some time uses the sort
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Le 2012-02-24 à 09:02:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit :
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:14
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Subject: Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
Le 2012-02-24 à 09:51:00, Miller Puckette a écrit :
It's odd, but it never occurred
hi,
thank you, i will look at it right away!
all the best,
christian
Am Freitag, den 24.02.2012, 18:46 +0100 schrieb Frank Barknecht:
Hi,
attached is an approach using data structures to do the sorting of peaks.
Somehow I forgot how to set the sort field in a data structure and cannot find
Thank you! I really have to get into GridFlow.
All the best, c
Am Samstag, den 18.02.2012, 11:28 -0500 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
Le 2012-02-18 à 16:19:00, labyrinthuscochlearis a écrit :
what would be a good way to transform sigmund~'s peaks output so that I
get a list with peak
hi all,
what would be a good way to transform sigmund~'s peaks output so that I
get a list with peak amplitudes but in the ascending order of the
corresponding frequencies?
thanks,
christian
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Le 2012-02-18 à 16:19:00, labyrinthuscochlearis a écrit :
what would be a good way to transform sigmund~'s peaks output so that I
get a list with peak amplitudes but in the ascending order of the
corresponding frequencies?
GridFlow's [#grade] gives you a list of item numbers in the order
I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should be
a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best design.
(and there's probably already a list sort in Pd extended :)
cheers
Miller
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 04:19:58PM +0100, labyrinthuscochlearis wrote:
hi all,
Le 2012-02-18 à 09:58:00, Miller Puckette a écrit :
I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should be
a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best design.
(and there's probably already a list sort in Pd extended :)
the [list-sort] abstraction uses a
Hi everyone,
I'll be beat-boxing (with my voice) TWO sounds into my computer microphone:
a Kick drum sound and a Hi-Hat sound. I would like to use some sort of
spectral analysis object to send bangs when it recognizes them. I ran these
two sounds through a spectral analyser and found that the
Check out timbreID by William Brent.
Best,
J
On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'll be beat-boxing (with my voice) TWO sounds into my computer microphone: a
Kick drum sound and a Hi-Hat sound. I would like to use some sort
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 06:35:51PM -0700, Benoît Fortier wrote:
I'm using the sigmund~ object to get amplitude and pitch information
for the loudest peaks of a signal (see the sinusoid-tracking help
patch, which can be found in the sigmund~ help patch). Out of that
information, I want to
Hello all,
I'm using the sigmund~ object to get amplitude and pitch information for the
loudest peaks of a signal (see the sinusoid-tracking help patch, which can be
found in the sigmund~ help patch). Out of that information, I want to create,
let's say, 5 midi notes corresponding to the 5
For the second part of your question I guess Miller's book would be a good
place to start, given that it also provides examples in pd.
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/
For a more advanced source, though not an online resource, the Musimathics
books look thorough and come
Good stuff, ok will do.
Thanks again,
Julian
On 17 February 2011 19:19, William Brent william.br...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, a Windows binary of [pitchEnv~] is up on my site:
http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#pitchEnv
I hadn't put up Windows or the source yet because I
Ok, a Windows binary of [pitchEnv~] is up on my site:
http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#pitchEnv
I hadn't put up Windows or the source yet because I was still in the
middle of working on it, but I think it's fine so that's all up now.
Let me know off list if you have issues
Thanks guys, that's really helpful - got things a bit straighter.
So can I say for clarification (and I noticed it came up on an earlier
thread when (of the top of my head) someone was asking why the attack
settings didn't work for tracks and they had to use [env~] -
vibrato
stabletime
minpower
Hey William,
Appreciate the involvement...
Unfortunately I'm on W7 atm. My main patch uses the MSD lib and after what
I thought was a trivial problem with using it in Puredyne (my regular
distro), last Nov, MSD is still not working for me. Fortunately I bought a
2nd hand lappy with W7 on it
Hey William,
Ho hum...,
Cheers for having a look though.
I'm not completely clear about the continuation flags? I can see from the
help file that they're there but what do they mean?
Perhaps this should be a new thread but why does sigmund have a frequency
range of 100,000hz, and what would
I'm not completely clear about the continuation flags? I can see from the
help file that they're there but what do they mean?
On every analysis period, several track reports are output in a burst.
These provide the frequency and amplitude of what [sigmund~]
considers the most important
Perhaps this should be a new thread but why does sigmund have a frequency
range of 100,000hz, and what would be a decent useable range from practical
experience?
Strange - I never read that part of the help patch carefully. It's
even stranger because it actually says the default
Hi Julian,
I just looked at the patches and I hear what you're talking about now.
The erratic changes are because it's really hard to get nice smooth
tracks by analyzing this kind of signal. With violin samples I got
useable results, but the rougher timbre of your viol has a lot of high
Hey William,
Many thanks for offering to have a look at this for me. I'm currently
trying to extricate the offending section out of what has now ballooned up
into a very involved patch (certainly for me anyway). In the process of
doing this I have realised that I am mistakenly constantly
I'm doing a piece with a viola d'amore (7 string viol)
Oops, that's not a violin :) I don't know the lowest note on that one
offhand...
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Could you make a simple example patch that demonstrates the
rhythmicized/pulsed result that you don't like? Without knowing
exactly what's going on in your patch, my first question would be
whether or not you're smoothing the frequencies and amplitudes with a
[line~] or something else. Maybe
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, William Brent wrote:
I'm doing a piece with a viola d'amore (7 string viol)
Oops, that's not a violin :) I don't know the lowest note on that one
offhand...
Is everybody only ever using the default tuning on those things ?
Hi all,
I'm doing a piece with a viola d'amore (7 string viol) where [sigmund~] is
analysing the live input and feeding 48 tracks/partials to a bank of 48
[osc~] for resynthesis and a bit of jiggery-pokery, mainly reversing the
amplitudes so the quietest partials are the loudest and vice versa.
hi,
I'm using sigmund~ to get sound input from microphone(with adc~), the data is
controling the movement of gem objects. But it seems that the sigmund~ respond
to silence as well and react in a constant change of the data. Is there a way
to
control this noise?
Thanks,
shaul
Shaul Tzemach wrote:
hi,
I'm using sigmund~ to get sound input from microphone(with adc~), the
data is controling the movement of gem objects. But it seems that the
sigmund~ respond to silence as well and react in a constant change of
the data. Is there a way to control this noise?
Depends on
Hi,
I always put a [env] to gate the sigmund data ouput. Whenever [env] gets
below a certains level (basically that of your noise), you use a [ X] to
output a binary number (0 when it goes below X), which then controls a
[spigot], which blocks the data flowing from sigmund. The only tricky part
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:50:22PM -0400, Alexandre Porres wrote:
simple basic question:
Any special considerations of how they differ?
I'm willing to do pitch tracking and also getting lists of partials and
frequency in realtime.
Check
Hallo,
Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote:
Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do
it better)?
I leave the first part of the question
But under the hood I think it uses a better algorithm. In my experiments it
reports pitch faster and more reliable and stable than fiddle~. So if you
can
use sigmund~ I would recommend it over fiddle~ as a replacement.
Back in the LAC 2008 in Cologne, I asked Miller that very question: what
I only have little experience, but from what I've seen so far is that pitch
detection with sigmund~ is faster than fiddle~.
On the other hand I found the level setting 'minpower' not working or at least
nor responsive to changes that I tried out. I do not have experimented with the
Hallo,
Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do it better)?
I leave the first part of the question as a task to the reader of both help
files.
About the second part: In my tests, [sigmund~] indeed did it better.
Ciao
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Subject: Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
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Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:04 AM
Hallo,
Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Can [sigmund~] do
Hello,
Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do it better)?
BTW: I'm finding that to use [sigmund~] with tables, the -t flag is
unnecessary-- just remove it in the example in the subpatch and you
get the same results. Not sure if that's a bug or not, but it makes me
wonder:
Hmm - there shouldn't be any difference between sigmund~'s env output and
that of env~. What latform are you on? Perhaps I should check this out.
This is on the winXP version.
thanks
Oded
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Hmm - there shouldn't be any difference between sigmund~'s env output and
that of env~. What latform are you on? Perhaps I should check this out.
cheers
Miller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:51:44AM -0700, Oded Ben-Tal wrote:
should the output of:
[sigmund~ env]
be the same (or very
should the output of:
[sigmund~ env]
be the same (or very similar) to the output of
[env~]
I think there is a typo in the help file (where env == notes). but I
get pretty wild output from sigmund that bears no relation (that I can
hear) to the input sound envelope.
I'm using pd-extended
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Subject: Re: [PD] Sigmund and Sort (Was Real-time frequency filtering
and analysis)
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hmmm... maybe i did... what would good old sigmund f himself have to say
about this little slip?
On 4/2/07 9:50 PM, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/2/07, robbert van hulzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
alternatively, if you don't want to compile yourself: the 0.40.2 autobuilds
on
Jared wrote:
robbert van hulzen wrote:
a dotted line indicates that the object can't be created, i think it gets
the status of a comment. you also see it in the pd window:
sigmund~ ... couldn't create.
[sort] is part of zexy, works for me also in 0.39.2-ext-test7. do other zexy
objects get
alternatively, if you don't want to compile yourself: the 0.40.2 autobuilds
on puredate.info have recent versions (i assume you want = 0.40.2 because
of [sigmund~]).
On 4/2/07 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for 0.40.2, where would I get that?
From
On 4/2/07, robbert van hulzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
alternatively, if you don't want to compile yourself: the 0.40.2 autobuilds
on puredate.info have recent versions (i assume you want = 0.40.2 because
of [sigmund~]).
Hi, I think you mean:
puredata.info
NOT
pureDATE.info
;-)
~David
robbert van hulzen wrote:
a dotted line indicates that the object can't be created, i think it gets
the status of a comment. you also see it in the pd window:
sigmund~ ... couldn't create.
[sort] is part of zexy, works for me also in 0.39.2-ext-test7. do other zexy
objects get created?
Jaime Oliver wrote:
you could also check sigmund~ it will give you a list of frequencies
and amplitudes in order of amplitude.
J
I think this is a result of my lack of experience with PD, but when I
create an object and put sigmund~ in it the border stays dotted. The
same thing was
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