Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/04, Jim Apilado, discombobulated, offered: At least a majority of stereo photographers attending the National Stereo Association convention in Portland, Oregon USA use film. We had lots of film turned in for processing. All of the film was for E-6 processing. IIRC there were a few film

Re: OT: Website Update: New Photo, etc.

2004-07-10 Thread Cotty
On 9/7/04, Cliff Nietvelt, discombobulated, offered: Howdy all Just updated my website with a new photo (hoary marmot), under Photo of the Month: July at the bottom of the Home page. www.cliffnietvelt.com Taken with a SMC F-300mm F4.5 ED[IF] an MZ-S with Provia 100F. Still using Pentax...

PAW - Waterfall

2004-07-10 Thread David Mann
Another shot from the Catlins Coastline. I had a better pic of another waterfall but I think I've shown that one before on PUG or something. http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=10-Jul-2004 FWIW I don't like the branches on the left but there's not a lot I could do about them.

Re: OTF metering question

2004-07-10 Thread James
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:58:15 -0400, Herb Chong wrote: since OTF metering can possibly change the exposure time during exposure, it can't be used faster than X synch speed. think about the position of the shutter blades if the lighting changed a lot during exposure. Iused to have a book describing

Re: PAW: At World's end

2004-07-10 Thread Jostein
Yes, the coal net is used to provide light. The restaurant owner uses it for special occasions, I think. Jostein - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:07 AM Subject: Re: PAW: At World's end Interesting. Had this

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread thibouille
I double checked and was wrong. They both have Safox IV. But MZ-50 an 60 have Safox V (go figure... low-end and better AF), MZ-S has SAFOX VII (but was out before the MZ-6) and *IST has SAFOX VIII. A couple of weird things as usual by Pentax standards so evreything is normal I guess ;) -

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, John Whittingham wrote: MZ-3! John, You got an extremely good deal on the -3. Normally it's significantly more expensive than the -5n and only has faster shutter. With respect to the original question: this was discussed last week, have a look at

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs. ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread Jim Colwell
I have an MZ-5N and an MZ-7, which has controls very similar to the MZ-6. I find that the classical style controls on the 5N make it much faster and easier to change manual speeds and +/- EV. Also, after you get used to the body, the 5N rotating tab switches for motor and metering, plus the

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They both have Safox IV. But MZ-50 an 60 have Safox V (go figure... low-end and better AF), MZ-S has SAFOX VII (but was out before the MZ-6) and *IST has SAFOX VIII. The -50, -60 (and -30?) have a 2-sensor AF system. I think Boz's site explains it

Re: RE: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
Thanks! Couple of last dumb questions: I like to shoot children, with/without their pets involved. I assume the releases would have to come from the parent/pet owner. Also what does one do in the case of Drive By candids? Do you stop and try to find the person to get a release? I always keep a

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
Well, is not that bad. Don't drop it and it will work just fine. The MZ6 may have a slightly lower build quality than the MZ5n/3, but it's much, much better than those plastic toys - you-know-what-brand (or even the MZ-60 and *ist). But I hate that viewfinder... Alex Sarbu - Original Message

Re: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Sorenson
I would concur w/Graywolf. Here's the answer from the latest issue of Pop Photo to a similar question regarding images from street photography. No release is necessary if you're shooting in public places such as sidewalks for fine-art or gallery exhibitions, or for editorial use - even if the

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I shoot digital 90% of the time because it makes sense for most of what I do. But I still shoot BW film as well and hope to continue doing so for a long time to come. I do think that film will continue to be available for many years and that BW may eventually outsell color neg. I also expect

RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Amita Guha
WHere is Nubble LIght? Nubble is on an island off of York. There are 3 parts of York and I can't remember which part it's near, but there's a road that goes down to the viewing area. You can stand on the rocks and get splashed by the waves. Just bring a good telephoto lens. :)

RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Amita Guha
While I waited in vain at Nubble Light, Maine, for the skies to clear last Tuesday, I noticed that many people there were carrying cameras. I did not notice a single film camera. No doubt there were some, but what I noticed was a large number of PS digital and EVF digital. 'Tis the

RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
This statement somewhat confuses me. A few days ago I asked about the high contrast abilities of digital versus film. The opinion seemed to be that digital was similar to slide film in these situations. This led me to believe that negative film would be superior to digital when in high contrast

Re: RE: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
Thanks Paul, that helps. Don -Original Message- From: Paul Sorenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:Model Release I would concur w/Graywolf. Here's the answer from the latest issue of Pop Photo to a similar

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jostein Subject: Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View LOL. Hey, I do have an *istD, don't I? Let's just say that I don't subscribe to it unconditionally. I've kinda gone from a rabid supporter of digital (once I got my istD, anyway), to seeing some pretty

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View Most photographic labs use scans to produce prints, anyway. I guess there's not a big difference - the printing procedure should be pretty much the same. Scanned film at minilabs produce a 2000x3000

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bill Owens Subject: Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View Maybe not. I would guess that at least 1/2 of the film we process at work is from one time use cameras. They will keep film alive for quite some time I think, at least consumer grade ISO 400 and 800.

Re: RE: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: Re: RE: OT:Model Release Thanks! Couple of last dumb questions: I like to shoot children, with/without their pets involved. I assume the releases would have to come from the parent/pet owner. Also what does one do in the case of

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View This statement somewhat confuses me. A few days ago I asked about the high contrast abilities of digital versus film. The opinion seemed to be that digital was similar to slide film in these

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread John Whittingham
You got an extremely good deal on the -3. Normally it's significantly more expensive than the -5n and only has faster shutter. Hi Kostas You were right, I liked the MZ-5 so much I went in search of the -5n but found a -3 instead. It would have to be surgically removed from me now, I just

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Antonio Aparicio
I don't think you are missing anything. Digital does not have the same exposure latitude as film, I think it is slightly less than slide film - meaning you have to be more accurate with your exposures. This is balanced by the easier workflow with digital, whereby you can review a pic straight

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs. ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread John Whittingham
I find that the classical style controls on the 5N make it much faster and easier to change manual speeds and +/- EV. Also, after you get used to the body, the 5N rotating tab switches for motor and metering, plus the slider for spot/matrix focus allow you set just about anything while

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
From a photographer's POV, the film is dead approach is a bit of overcompensation/payback from the digital folks who have recent memories of digital isn't serious photography. Of course there is good reason for film to remain, just as photography itself didn't kill painting. As for me, I find

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
Lowest common denominator always applies., A chain is only as strong as the weakest link., etcetera. Seems like they knew all about digital hundreds, even thousands of years ago (grin). -- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary

Re: Real-life calibration assistance welcomed

2004-07-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
No, it said 1/10 s: Capture the image at a 1/10th of a second shutter speed, please (the *istD activates noise reduction, if you've enabled it in your camera, at slower speeds), with the eyepiece covered, make sure you capture a TIFF file (JPEG artifacts may give 'false positives), run the

RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
That's a good point. Some of my biggest brain cramps lately are from trying to decide whether the *ist D, or perhaps whatever is next in the Pentax digicam line-up is for me. As it will require the sale of several of my beloved Pentax film bodies, it's a tough decision. It's made even harder by my

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
Come on now Steve. You know that is not true either. I can understand how come the everybody is using digital cant comes from people observing PS users. But this everybody has Photo Shop comes only from computer gurus (or University Professors). The simple facts are not everyone is using

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
I made that statement in the context of members of the PDML. (The paragraph begins, From the PDML POV . . .) In that context, I'll stand by that statement, at to the extent that everyone means 97%+ Even those that use film scan their results and process with PS or some equivalent product.

Re: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
A model release is a legal contract. A minor can not be held to a contract, so if the person is under 18 you need a parent or gardians signature too. Note the too, I almost never see that mentioned, but once the party is 18, their parents signature is no longer binding upon them. Get both

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jul 2004 at 7:50, graywolf wrote: Yep, the author probably has not bought an istD yet. I noticed that everyone on the list who has bought one is now rabidly pro-digital (Except Jostein, who does not seem to quite get the idea that convience is more important than image quality. GRIN!

Re: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
I had better add here that I am not an attorney. I am not responsible if you get sued. I am only reporting my own practices. Whew! graywolf wrote: A model release is a legal contract. A minor can not be held to a contract, so if the person is under 18 you need a parent or gardians

Re: Real-life calibration assistance welcomed

2004-07-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jul 2004 at 10:31, Steve Desjardins wrote: No, it said 1/10 s: Testing at 1/10th is next to useless unfortunately. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986,

RE: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
Excellent idea Tom, thanks much! I was wondering how people would react to the long form, I probably wouldn't sign it. Your index card idea is ideal. Good idea about getting both signatures too, pretty hard to tell how old (and honest about it) some kids are anymore. Don -Original

RE: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
Consider yourself absolved of all responsibility for my sorry butt! Don -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:Model Release I had better add here that I am not an attorney. I am not

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jul 2004 at 16:05, Antonio Aparicio wrote: Digital does not have the same exposure latitude as film, I think it is slightly less than slide film - meaning you have to be more accurate with your exposures. I think you will find (using simple experimentation) that even older digicams

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Thanks. I stand corrected Rob. A. On 10 Jul 2004, at 17:16, Rob Studdert wrote: On 10 Jul 2004 at 16:05, Antonio Aparicio wrote: Digital does not have the same exposure latitude as film, I think it is slightly less than slide film - meaning you have to be more accurate with your exposures. I

Re: Real-life calibration assistance welcomed

2004-07-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
OK. I did 10s. Now I have 2: [DeadPixelText] Version=1.0 Description=10 s test FileType=TIFF NumBadPixels=2 0=Hot,1893,242,96 1=Hot,1803,836,83 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/04 11:14AM On 10 Jul 2004 at 10:31, Steve Desjardins wrote: No, it said 1/10 s: Testing at 1/10th is next to useless

Re: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
Actually I am more worried about some lawyer reading the list turning me into the bar association for practicing law without a license. I do hope everyone understands I am not giving legal opinions, but only personal ones. And that the suggested form below is not intended to protect you in

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Amita Guha wrote: WHere is Nubble LIght? Nubble is on an island off of York. There are 3 parts of York and I can't remember which part it's near, but there's a road that goes down to the viewing area. You can stand on the rocks and get splashed by the waves. Just bring a good telephoto

Re: PAW: At World's end

2004-07-10 Thread Jostein
Thanks Shaun. I'll try to find it. :-) Cheers, Jostein - Original Message - From: Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: PAW: At World's end I think the image is sharp enough Jostein. However, if you want to try

Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Jostein
An early image from last autumn with lots of little detail. This is the sort of image I would love to blow up huge. A3 or larger. What do you guys think? Would it be possible to get a good quality A3 print from this one? (PTAW = Picture Twice A Week...) Jostein

Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Jostein
With a link this time: http://www.oksne.net/paw/wintermarsh.html - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Another *istD pic (PTAW?) An early image from last autumn with lots of little detail. This is

RE: Cheapest USED DSLR on the market?

2004-07-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I should clarify my intent, yes it would be mostly for ebay usage but I would also like to use for serious Macro work. That is one case where the small sensor is an advantage over 35mm film because it means better depth of field for the same angle of view (lower magnifications). JCO -

Re: Cheapest USED DSLR on the market?

2004-07-10 Thread Antonio Aparicio
How about the Fujifilm FinePix S602Z Pro? Anything else seems overkill for ebay. Antonio On 10 Jul 2004, at 22:25, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I should clarify my intent, yes it would be mostly for ebay usage but I would also like to use for serious Macro work. That is one case where the small sensor

Re: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/7/04, Jostein, discombobulated, offered: An early image from last autumn with lots of little detail. This is the sort of image I would love to blow up huge. A3 or larger. What do you guys think? Would it be possible to get a good quality A3 print from this one? (PTAW = Picture Twice A

RE: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Butch Black
David wrote: Again while I do not dispute the figures or what kind of image a minilab puts out, I find there is something inherently wrong with the concept of a machine as expensive as the minilabs use, consistently putting out far worse quality then a $300 scanner plus a $150 printer. Ok, yep,

RE: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
Quite an beautiful and amazing photo Jostein. Very welcome at this moment as I just came in from mowing the lawn on what has to be the most humid day I've seen in a long time. The air is about as hazy as in your photo but it's a lot hotter! Three things truly impressed me about this photo: 1.)

Re: Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread mike wilson
Seems to be heavily artifacted in the sky. Unless it's my monitor/video card, which seems to be misbehaving (though not in this way, so far) at the moment. I seem to recognise the landscape - rather Lord of the Ringsish, I think. Haven't a clue how big it would print, I'm afraid. mike

Fixing a viewfinder

2004-07-10 Thread David Weiss
Hi all, Does anyone know if it is easy to remove the viewfinder of an KX? Mine has a little scratch in it that bothers me a bit. Would it be easy enough to swap it with another from a beater? Does anyone have a KX parts camera? Thanks Dave

Re: Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread mike wilson
Seems to be heavily artifacted in the sky. Unless it's my monitor/video card, which seems to be misbehaving (though not in this way, so far) at the moment. I seem to recognise the landscape - rather Lord of the Ringsish, I think. Haven't a clue how big it would print, I'm afraid. mike

PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
Geez, I don't go on list for like 2 or 3 days, and there are over 650 messages to sift through! So, while I do that (sift through messages), here's my PAW: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515148 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515155 My friend Marlee is a

Re: Mantra! WAS: PAW: Waiting for the trailer

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, You must have been standing right outside my bunk in PDML West at GFM...you stole my Mantra!! snip Cory, Damn! I was trying to be quiet. You weren't supposed to know I was there. g -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all

Re: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/7/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, offered: An early image from last autumn with lots of little detail. This is the sort of image I would love to blow up huge. A3 or larger. What do you guys think? Would it be possible to get a good quality A3 print from this one? (PTAW =

RE: Fixing a viewfinder

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
With the proper tools and a little patience it's not too bad. Should be able to use most K series viewfinders for replacement, assuming you are talking about the glass eyepiece lens. eBay has replacements for the K1000 quite often, should work. If you're referring to the Focusing Screen and not

Re: Another PAW

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive me for two in two days, but it may also be another two weeks before I do something else I seem to spend a lot of time waiting for trains to pass. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/IMGP3989.jpg William Robb Cool shot! (I have

Re: Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Norm Baugher
Beautiful Jostein, that photo has feeling and mood.love it. Norm Jostein wrote: With a link this time: http://www.oksne.net/paw/wintermarsh.html

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
Don't have a basement. Have to splash in the bathroom. But I found out today I need one of them there Digital SLR's. I put the red filter on and plumb forgot to open up 3 stops. If I had a digital I would not have made that mistake. Come to think of it, if I had a digital that mistake would not

RE: Cheapest USED DSLR on the market?

2004-07-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I just said for more than just ebay. I want interchangable lenses. jco -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheapest USED DSLR on the market? How about the Fujifilm FinePix S602Z

Re: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot, Jostein. I have yet to meet an *ist D image that couldn't be blown up to Super B size, approximately 18x12, providing of course that the original RAW is converted to a 72 megabyte 8-bit file or 144 meg 16 bit file at the time of conversion. This image is somewhat soft due to fog

Re: ZX/MZ-5n vs ZX-L/MZ-6

2004-07-10 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, John Whittingham wrote: You were right, I liked the MZ-5 so much I went in search of the -5n but found a -3 instead. It would have to be surgically removed from me now, I just wish it had MLU and a metal body. Well, you'd been warned :-) Kostas

Re: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jul 10, 2004, at 5:19 PM, Cotty wrote: Oops - scrolled down and saw the big file. I'll post you a big one ;-) Hi Cotty, You'd be better off starting with the RAW file. This file opens to only 17 meg in PhotoShop. Get the RAW and convert it to a 72 meg file. I'll have a go at it as well if

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread ernreed2
Graywolf wrapped up a recent post with: Hobbies are supposed to waste time. Give you time to relax. It is all about enjoyment. If you can not wait to get it over with, it is not a hobby! One for the quote file! ERN

Re: OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Brian Dipert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dude, you just don't get it, do you? We were here long before you arrived. We were, are, and will be perfectly happy to be here. We're not going anywhere. It's YOUR responsibility to adapt yourself to the unique personality and rules of

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're damn right Antonio! What does vitriol mean? Norm Norm, Isn't that the stuff that men used to put in their hair to, you know, like slick it down? Back in the 50's and 60's, there was Brylcreem and Vitriol, IIRC (I was only a kid then). HTH,

Re: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/7/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, offered: On Jul 10, 2004, at 5:19 PM, Cotty wrote: Oops - scrolled down and saw the big file. I'll post you a big one ;-) Hi Cotty, You'd be better off starting with the RAW file. This file opens to only 17 meg in PhotoShop. Get the RAW and

Re: OT: PDML list server and viruses.

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antonio Aparicio wrote: That's right Antonio, how can they be sure, they have only been running this list a few years. Man, you are smart. What does hubris mean? Norm, I believe it's a chickpea dip, popular in the Middle East. Makes a nice dip

Re: PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/7/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, offered: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515148 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515155 My friend Marlee is a dancer/performance artist/whatever, and these are photos of a piece she calls Sex With Filing Cabinet. Doesn't so

Re: OTF metering question

2004-07-10 Thread James
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:46:43 -0400, Herb Chong wrote: That can happen with any camera you care to name, with OTF or not. James try it. aim a light at the camera and synch it to flash sometime during the exposure when the speed is faster than X. it will give correct exposure and not look right

Re: OTF metering question

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
OK, do the opposite. have a light on and turn it off for a portion of the travel. same thing. IOW, it's useless except below X speed. Herb - Original Message - From: James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: OTF metering question

Re: OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
This flame war is over. Let's not go there again, Frank. On Jul 10, 2004, at 5:56 PM, frank theriault wrote: --- Brian Dipert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dude, you just don't get it, do you? We were here long before you arrived. We were, are, and will be perfectly happy to be here. We're not

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now Mr. Owens, are you suggesting that it would be Antonio's fault? My good man, I'm sure you don't really mean that. Norm Norm, You sarcastic bastard. Do you have to turn everything into a for or against scenario? Why don't you just

Re: Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Jostein
LOL. The artefacts are of the cold, wet crystalline kind. First frozen downpour last winter, btw. Cheers, Jostein - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?) Seems to

Re: OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This flame war is over. Let's not go there again, Frank. Sorry, Paul, I'm just going through messages from the last week or so that I've not been able to read until now. I wasn't even thinking that this is old stuff that's now water under the

Re: OT:Model Release

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
pick a random lawyer and they will say always get a release because you never know. in otherwords, they are no help. they also like a release that says basically I allow my likeness to be used for any purpose. Herb... - Original Message - From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
digital camera ownership has passed 30% in the US and is well over 80% in Japan. in the future, the people who don't use digital will be because they are unable to. Herb - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:39 AM

Re: Real-life calibration assistance welcomed

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
turn off noise reduction and shoot an in-camera TIFF. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Real-life calibration assistance welcomed OK. I did 10s. Now I have 2:

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
if you were shooting RAW, you could pull enough latitude out relatively easily to make even color print film look low latitude. if you blend exposures, you can stretch to 20 or more stops of latitude, but then things start looking unrealistic. Herb... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
none of my friends are willing to be subject to a slide show. the only reason i shot slides when i did was because magazines insisted. Herb - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Film Is Dead

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
Photoshop isn't the only game in town even if you pay, and if you are shooting JPEG, there are huge numbers of perfectly adequate free programs. Herb... - Original Message - From: Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread Christian Skofteland
I don't know what to say about the shots except... well... nice legs! Christian - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515148 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515155

Re: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what to say about the shots except... well... nice legs! Hi, Christian, Now ~that's~ a fair comment! vbg I'll tell Marlee you think so (so do I, BTW). cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible

Off again for a while

2004-07-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele
To attend to visiting old friends and gearing up for the National Scrabble Tourney in New ORleans at the end of the month -- Just when we were getting back to interesting stuff, too -- I'll probably wait for a couple of hours to actually unsubscribe in the off chance I get time to read some of

Pentax feature in Australian Camera Magazine

2004-07-10 Thread Brian Walters
There are a couple of interesting articles on Pentax in the July issues of 'Camera' magazine. In addition the magazine's editorial is all about Pentax' plans for another SLR Revolution (we shall see.). An interesting observation in the editorial relating to future digital SLRs is that much

Re: PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread Norm Baugher
Well Frank, without any context (which you just gave us) I'd say, nice abstract shots that don't do anything for me. Taken within the context and used as such, I rather like them. Norm P.S. I would have unsubed years ago but I can't figure out howI'm stuck in PDML hell, paying for past

Re: PAW: Angel sighting

2004-07-10 Thread graywolf
You nature photographers are always so good at capturing birds on the wing. I like the composition. -- Kenneth Waller wrote: Angels sighted http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html *ist D, 600mm FA, 1/2000, f8.0 Comments likes/dislikes Thanks in advance for

Re: Film Is Dead / A Contrary View

2004-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
if your choices are reduced to a single BW and a single color print film, you probably won't want to use film. anaother scenario, the price of film and processing go up by a factor of 10. Herb... - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday,

Couple of Pics

2004-07-10 Thread Don Sanderson
Just so you know that I DO take photos once in a while. ;-) http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Ellis.htm These were my first sad attempt at digital, had no idea how to work the darned thing. Used a freeware program to process them, didn't know how to do that either. Shot about 2 years ago in a

PSE: Quick shot after a long day at work

2004-07-10 Thread Mark Roberts
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/_IGP0717.jpg In the garden behind the house. ist-D, ISO 800, FA*80-200/2.8 Now I'm going to go and have a glass of wine before calling it a night... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend Marlee is a dancer/performance artist/whatever, and these are photos of a piece she calls Sex With Filing Cabinet. You have interesting friends Frank. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jul 2004 at 22:07, Jim Colwell wrote: frank, I'm new to PDML, but I've been on the www since it was a DARPA project in the 1970's. There are many sites with office sex pics, but I don't think that PDML should be one, nor (I suspect) do about 51% of the potential PDML audience.

Re: Off again for a while

2004-07-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Norm Baugher wrote: Man, aren't we glad she left again, I was starting to wonder if she was sticking around! um beijo Ann, have a safe trip, Norm Ann Sanfedele wrote: To attend to visiting old friends and gearing up for the National Scrabble Tourney in New ORleans at the end of the

Re: Pentax feature in Australian Camera Magazine

2004-07-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jul 2004 at 16:57, Brian Walters wrote: One of the articles is a feature on 50 years of association between Pentax and its Australian distributor C R Kennedy and it's mainly a short history of Pentax over that period. Thanks for posting the information, I'll have to get a copy. It's

Re: PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! ft I don't go on list for like 2 or 3 days, and there are ft over 650 messages to sift through! It is average, trust me, the old backlog guy g... ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515148 ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2515155 ft My friend Marlee is a

Re: PAW: Angel sighting

2004-07-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Jim, Thanks for looking and commenting. The lens used was a Pentax 600mm/f4.0 SMC FA IFED on a Gitzo Mountaineer tripod with a Kirk King Cobra gimbal head (the only way to fly with a lens of this weight). Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jim Colwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: PAW: Sex With Filing Cabinet

2004-07-10 Thread frank theriault
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend Marlee is a dancer/performance artist/whatever, and these are photos of a piece she calls Sex With Filing Cabinet. You have interesting friends Frank. -- Mark Roberts I consider you a

Re: Couple of Pics

2004-07-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Don, nice captures. I'd say the light makes all the difference. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: Couple of Pics Just so you know that I DO take photos once in a while. ;-) http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Ellis.htm These were my first sad attempt

RE: Fw: Another *istD pic (PTAW?)

2004-07-10 Thread Butch Black
Possibly. I took a not overly different scene and printed a 12x18 of it. I did not have the fog however. You can just start to notice the loss of detail in the grass but mine was only a 3.3MP camera. Butch

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