Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-19 Thread brooksdj
Mark Roberts wrote: From what I gathered from reading Nikon's extensive description of the LABCAST sensor, it *is* basically a CMOS sensor in terms of architecture and function,but since it's made using junction Field Effect Transistors instead of Metal

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-17 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On Sep 17, 2004, at 3:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Yep. The 6-megapixel APS and 11 megapixel full-frame are very close indeed. OK, you won ;-) BTW - informaton about 22MP FF from Canon is simply fake :-) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020message=10298732 -- Best regards Sylwek

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-17 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hum. I thought this labcast sensor in my D2h was the next wave for Nikon,then they go and put a Cmos sensor in the D2x. Wonder what Nikon is trying to tell me here. From what I gathered from reading Nikon's extensive description of the LABCAST sensor, it *is*

[OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Alin Flaider
No full frame as announced, yet what a disappointment. The day full 35mm frame gets back as a standard looks further than ever. The 12 MPixel on the APS senzor will stress the lens quality issue - I doubt any Nikon zoom will be sharp at that resolution. Also the analog white balance may

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Alin Flaider wrote on 16.09.04 9:39: No full frame as announced, yet what a disappointment. The day full 35mm frame gets back as a standard looks further than ever. The 12 MPixel on the APS senzor will stress the lens quality issue - I doubt any Nikon zoom will be sharp at that resolution.

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-) Still DX size sensor (1.5 FOV crop). I can hear the laughter and champagne corks popping at Canon...

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Rob Studdert
On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:58, Alin Flaider wrote: BTW, Nikon made public its support for full-frame in a very original manner, with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line.

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:09: And Chasseur d'Images is saying the Canon EOS 2D full-frame, 22 megapixel camera is coming soon. Maybe, but the price??? So far 11MPix 1Ds is almost twice as expensive as supposed price for D2X (about 4000-4500USD). So there is always trade off :-) --

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 16.09.04 15:16: Someone must have made a mistake, it's not April 1st, I heard here years ago that the F5 would be the very last film F series body. LOL Maybe rumours that F6 will be able to accomodate digital back were true? PS I wonder if they could have squeezed in an

Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Alin Flaider
Sylwester wrote: SP On the other hand you can say that with SP APS-C sensor you get better use of long lenses - not loosing resolution in SP case of D2X. If those long lenses can cope with the 88 lpm resolution of the 12 MP sensor. SP Really? Can you point to web page with this official

Re: Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Alin Flaider wrote on 16.09.04 15:29: If those long lenses can cope with the 88 lpm resolution of the 12 MP sensor. Of course, that's why it is worth of waiting for real world tests :-) Mea culpa, I read the headlines backwards. In fact they announced new EF-S lenses:

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:58, Alin Flaider wrote: BTW, Nikon made public its support for full-frame in a very original manner, with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line.

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:47: BTW: Didn't the F5 have interchangeable prisms? Yes it had. -- Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylwester wrote: SP On the other hand you can say that with SP APS-C sensor you get better use of long lenses - not loosing resolution in SP case of D2X. If those long lenses can cope with the 88 lpm resolution of the 12 MP sensor. The real test of

Re: Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:57: I'll bet that even if the predictions of the EOS 2D having 22 megapixels are wrong (I'm skeptical myself) Canon will apply the low noise technology from the 1D-II sensor to a new full-frame sensor and create an ultra-low-noise 11-12 megapixel camera that

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Rob Studdert
On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:51, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:47: BTW: Didn't the F5 have interchangeable prisms? Yes it had. I thought that was an F series given? That's sad, probably impossible to do with all the gadgetry now housed in the prism. I used David Ns

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 16.09.04 16:07: I thought that was an F series given? That's sad, probably impossible to do with all the gadgetry now housed in the prism. I used David Ns Refconvertor on my *ist D last time we met up, I'd never tried one before, I appreciate my LX finders now :-) LX

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Juan Buhler
with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line. http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm Well, what would be *really* funny would be if the F6 took APS film... I think Nikon missed an opportunity both for

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line. http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm Well, what would be *really* funny would be if the F6 took APS film... Thanks. I

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Steve Desjardins
Just a comment: I think the folks on this list really overestimate the importance of extreme wide angles. Most of the market for these kinds of cameras use mostly telephotos, so that concentrating the pixels into a smaller space is an advantage. The noise issue for the denser sensor remains, of

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Alin Flaider
Sylwester wrote: SP EOS-1Ds has similar noise level to coming from the same SP era EOS-D60 or 10D despite having much bigger pixel pitch. I think they have the same pixel pitch. Servus, Alin

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread John Bailey
Ah so. Nikon is still hungery! I assume this is 35mm sized? John --- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek = John

Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X

2004-09-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylwester wrote: SP EOS-1Ds has similar noise level to coming from the same SP era EOS-D60 or 10D despite having much bigger pixel pitch. I think they have the same pixel pitch. Yep. The 6-megapixel APS and 11 megapixel full-frame are very close indeed.