RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen [...] People seem to have taken my question as a challenge to their adulthood or something. I seriously don't see what light meter will get you that a little creative work with the camera and histogram

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Loveday
: RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen [...] People seem to have taken my question as a challenge to their adulthood or something. I seriously don't see what light meter will get you that a little

RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Peter Loveday I have an L-308s, I hadn't actually seen that they had new digital versions out. As far as I can see, it's more or less just the added ability to calibrate that's different? There are some video /

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Postmaster
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Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 14, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 15, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I was asking a serious question here. I grew up using the meter in my camera, or occasionally the luna pro, or some other meter. Once I learned about the histogram I was blown away by how much more information it gave me. It's the

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 15, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen [...] People seem to have taken my question as a challenge to their adulthood or something. I seriously don't see what light meter will get you that a little

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Darren Addy
I seriously don't see what light meter will get you that a little creative work with the camera and histogram won't. Let me Google that for you: http://www.scantips.com/lights/metering3.html See also: http://www.scantips.com/lights/metering2.html and

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I was asking a serious question here. Larry, believe it or not, I was answering you seriously. My silly scenario has been repeated at many studio workshop shoots I've attended. And it contains the basic truth that you aren't

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen I don't have time for a full on discussion right now, but my issue with incident light meters is that they don't take into account the reflectivity of the subject. The incident meter tells you how much light is falling on the subject. Expose for the amount of light that's

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Proper exposure requires several bits of information: - how much light is available to work with - how a particular recording medium reacts to light - what is important in the scene and where to place it in the range that the medium can record - what is unimportant in the scene and when/how to

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Is anyone else here using a calibrated meter / camera combo? If so, how much difference does it make, and is it easy to use or just another damn thing getting in the way? Thanks, Bob I still have my Minolta IVF but i find

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Larry Colen
On May 15, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I was asking a serious question here. Larry, believe it or not, I was answering you seriously. My silly scenario has been repeated at many studio workshop shoots I've

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Larry Colen
thanks. On May 15, 2012, at 5:15 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I seriously don't see what light meter will get you that a little creative work with the camera and histogram won't. Let me Google that for you: http://www.scantips.com/lights/metering3.html See also:

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread George Sinos
Bob - After reading all of these replies, you're starting to get a lot of different ideas of how the meter can be used. Before you spend a bunch of money on a meter, think about renting one from borrowlenses.com. http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/Lightmeters This page shows the two-week

RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-15 Thread Bob W
light meters and digital cameras Bob - After reading all of these replies, you're starting to get a lot of different ideas of how the meter can be used. Before you spend a bunch of money on a meter, think about renting one from borrowlenses.com. http://www.borrowlenses.com/category

Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Bob W
The thread about exposure differences for film and digital set me browsing the Sekonic site, where they now offer specifically digital light meters http://www.sekonic.com/Products/All/Overview.aspx. Mine are both relics of the film days, including a L-308s and whatever was the equivalent back

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Larry Colen
On May 14, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Bob W wrote: The thread about exposure differences for film and digital set me browsing the Sekonic site, where they now offer specifically digital light meters http://www.sekonic.com/Products/All/Overview.aspx. Mine are both relics of the film days, including

RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Bob W
The thread about exposure differences for film and digital set me browsing the Sekonic site, where they now offer specifically digital light meters http://www.sekonic.com/Products/All/Overview.aspx. Mine are both relics of the film days, including a L-308s and whatever was the

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Postmaster
Larry Colen wrote: One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the histogram. Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not just bracket. Drop $100 on a light meter, and that will

RE: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Bob W
One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the histogram. you get an incident light reading rather than a reflected reading, and you take the reading before you start shooting. You

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Darren Addy
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the histogram.  Or, for that matter, if it's an important shot, why not just

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Larry Colen
On May 14, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: One thing that I don't understand is how a handheld light meter would work significantly better with digital than taking a photo and looking at the histogram. Or, for that

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Bruce Walker
Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ... You're in the studio. There's seamless setup, the model has come out of makeup and hair and is raring to go. The studio costs $50 an hour. So does the

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote: Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ... You're in the studio. There's seamless setup, the model has come out of makeup and hair and is raring to go. The studio costs $50 an

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: Bob and Darren have actually said all that needs to be said in defense of using a meter, and nothing more needs to be said, so here I go ... You're in the studio. There's seamless setup,

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-05-14 17:43, Bob W wrote: You can't bracket a once-in-a-lifetime shot. If your subject is moving and your timing is critical bracketing is not a viable option. I don't remember Larry invoking bracketing as a solution, I'm just using this quotation as an entree' to reply. :-) When

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-05-14 22:44, Bruce Walker wrote: Anyways, this is one of those you get it or you don't issues, and Well, it's partly that, and it's partly a what you shoot issue. When you're shooting action, especially outdoors, you're going to take one in the forehead every so often, no matter

Re: Calibrating light meters and digital cameras

2012-05-14 Thread Larry Colen
I was asking a serious question here. I grew up using the meter in my camera, or occasionally the luna pro, or some other meter. Once I learned about the histogram I was blown away by how much more information it gave me. It's the difference between a scalar and a vector, the light meter