>>>"This comment is not designed to add useful discourse."
>>> - William Robb
>>
>>Smartass ;-)
>
>Isn't he, though?
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Cotty wrote:
>On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>>From the 2005 quotations list:
>>
>>"This comment is not designed to add useful discourse."
>> - William Robb
>
>Smartass ;-)
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Tom C.
>From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "pentax list"
>Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: R
On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>From the 2005 quotations list:
>
>"This comment is not designed to add useful discourse."
> - William Robb
Smartass ;-)
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> >On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
> >
> >Mark.
>
> >From the 2005 quotations list:
>
>"This comment is not designed to add useful discourse."
> - William Robb
>
It appears to be a bit of a habit. ;-)
Cotty wrote:
>On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
>
>Mark.
>From the 2005 quotations list:
"This comment is not designed to add useful discourse."
- William Robb
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On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
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I
> need professional help).
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>>> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K1
William Robb wrote:
>I'd even hazzard a guess, without looking into my filtered emails,
>that I know who he is arguing with..
Har!
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Full frame would be Kodaks original format. would be 2 1/4 x 3 1/2
inches. They invented it.
William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bronek Kozicki" Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
> Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
>
>
>
>>
Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
> Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
>
>
> > Your just arguing nomenclature.
>
> He's not the only person on
120 is a film size, not a format.
jco
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
K10D
Let's not fight over words.
Tom C.
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>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
>K10D
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:01:50 +
t
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
>>
>> Peter Fairweather wrote:
>>
>>> Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
>>> Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not o
Well, he certainly has an "eye" for "color".
mike wilson wrote:
>> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Her
- Original Message -
From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
> Your just arguing nomenclature.
He's not the only person on list who argues nomenclature. I'd even hazzard a
guess, without looking into m
- Original Message -
From: "Bronek Kozicki" Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
> "full frame" is not a format name.
I've always wondered what the crop factor was on my Pentax 6x7.
Does anyone know what full fra
- Original Message -
From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
> He links to this http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/71055999 from his site
> http://www.kenrockwell.com/gallery.htm
>
> I can't work out wh
Your just arguing nomenclature.
The majority of people on this list can't afford the current MF/LF
digital bodies/backs, without selling their soul & organs. So when
someone refers to full frame digital, it's generally understood that
they're talking 35mm full frame.
Cheers,
Dave
On 1/3/07, Bro
LL FRAME its not too
> much to understand & assume they mean the full
> 24x36mm, 35mm, 135 format, format frame.
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Bronek Kozicki
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:0
f Of
Bronek Kozicki
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:02 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
K10D
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 1/3/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
&
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "full frame" is not a format name. It can be used as a format name only
> if supplemented by information "which frame" ? In citation above it is
> 35mm, or 135, and the crop factor is relative to full frame of 135
> format. It annoys me th
>
> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
>
> Peter Fairweather wrote:
> > Instead of being cruel about K
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>>> factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
>>
>>
>> keyword underscored.
>
> ...and?
>
"full frame" is not a format name. It can be used as a format name only
if supp
On 1/2/07, Peter Fairweather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
> Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
> review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
> don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor,
On 03/01/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've always thought of him as a kind of super-charged version of Ace
> "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be home for breakfast!" Rimmer, with bigger
> balls and a better tan.
That's ridiculously complimentary... for Ken ;-)
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Peter Fairweather
> Sent: 02 January 2007 22:04
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia
> Marina vs K10D
>
> Inste
I don't have to be cruel to or about Ken Rockwell, he has himself for that.
Peter Fairweather wrote:
> Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
> Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
> review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for ca
Peter Fairweather wrote:
> Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
> Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
> review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
> don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1 frames per second continuou
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1 frames per second continuous he
informs us. What a guy!!
Pe
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
> > factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
>
>
> keyword underscored.
...and?
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> factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
B.
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Width maybe, but height is, (well at the sizes we're considering), much
greater in the Kodak chip than in APS-H format.
Adam Maas wrote:
> Yes, but the size is similar.
>
> -Adam
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>> That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
>> 6x9cm (2:3).
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> she does not ;-P and I'm not going to argue with you other points, as
> they might be true indeed. The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
> discussion that could end up like whinning "when Pentax will finally
> release full frame camera
Yes, but the size is similar.
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
> That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
> 6x9cm (2:3). APS-H (16:9) isn't even close. Geeze these numbers are
> published everywhere.
>
> Adam Maas wrote:
>> Bronek Kozicki wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Digital
On 03/01/07, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What they call "blind test" is rampant. They exhibit images taken by
> various cameras including 5D (usually more than 5 images taken by different
> cameras) and see if anyone can tell the difference. This of course is more
> for an entertain
That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H (16:9) isn't even close. Geeze these numbers are
published everywhere.
Adam Maas wrote:
> Bronek Kozicki wrote:
>
>> Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>> B obviously hasn't looke
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
> Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> B obviously hasn't looked at too many "big" Canon or Leica M8 produced
>> images.
>
> Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.
>
>
> B.
>
Close to APS-H actually. About as close to that as DX format is to APS-C.
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
> Your arguments are known. Your conclusions are suspect, and your mother
> dresses you funny.
she does not ;-P and I'm not going to argue with you other points, as
they might be true indeed. The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
discussion that could end up like whin
Listen to the new guy lecturing us.
Interesting but we've been over this umpteen thousand times. Most of
what you're saying is known to even the most technically obtuse on this
list.
Very good 35mm lenses work well on the Canon FF digital cameras. This
is testified to by the number of Pent
I am fond of APS-C but not despising FF. I am just satisfied with the
current performance and compactness of gears of APS-C DSLR. And of course I
have no intention whatsoever to bring out some $3,000 for essentially
nothing more than just a camera. This might change if and when the
cost/perform
Hell, many Canon WA lenses, (all WA lenses on 35mm to some extent, but
Canon has some of the worst, and most expensive), were problematic on
film as far as vignetting was concerned. Why would they be "better" on
Digital? I think that Leica partly picked the 1.3x crop Kodak sensor
so their pr
Quoting David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So I take it your not a fan aft the 35mm full frame DSLR concept.
I am not. Or maybe this whole Canon propaganda just started p**ng me off. I came
from 6x7 (Pentacon Six) and see nothing special in 135 format, except maybe
balance of speed and quality fo
On 1/3/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > B obviously hasn't looked at too many "big" Canon or Leica M8 produced
> > > images.
> > >
> > > http://www.pbase.com/camer
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > B obviously hasn't looked at too many "big" Canon or Leica M8 produced
> > images.
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
> > images)
>
> and how m
On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On 1/2/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
> > f4 L lens. At 17mm & 40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
> > tre
Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> B obviously hasn't looked at too many "big" Canon or Leica M8 produced
> images.
Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.
B.
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Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> B obviously hasn't looked at too many "big" Canon or Leica M8 produced
> images.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
> images)
and how many from wide lenses ?
B.
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Quoting David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 1/2/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
> f4 L lens. At 17mm & 40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
> treatable in the RAW converter. I think this says more about the l
On 1/2/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bronek Kozicki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
> > has anyone seen "full fr
On 03/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bronek Kozicki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
>
>
> > Quoting William Ro
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
- Original Message -
From: "Bronek Kozicki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
> Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> It will affect them to a certain exten
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