And just when did I call you a fake and a cheat?
Shel
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> From: Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: 3/1/2005 5:33:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
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> talk about the pot calling the kettle black. insult someone by calling
talk about the pot calling the kettle black. insult someone by calling them
a fake and a cheat and then expect an apology when they get upset.
Herb...
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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nderexposed shots (which I could in fact sell), which on film would
have been at least close to useless.
Jens
Jens Bladt
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> >> From: Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >> the difference is that it works for situations th
ary 28, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
What you're doing does not mean that digital has 15 stops of
latitude.
You are combining several exposures to give an effective range of
fifteen
stops. A big difference. Plus, the technique is practically
worthless
for
many types
Jens Bladt
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Emne: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
I would be more happy if they worked on more exposure latitude
People don't care about portraits? or nature shots? or wildlife
photography? or journalism? or documentary photography? or news?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: 2/28/2005 4:51:26 PM
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Multiple exposure layers are just one technique, and it's obvious that it's
only appropriate for some situations. But very good latitude can be achieved
just by shooting RAW and applying the tools in the PSCS RAW converter.
> What you're doing does not mean that digital has 15 stops of latitud
/~hchong/Random/DSCN1201.jpg. it's
> the result of blending 6 exposures. i took this series with a Nikon Coolpix
> 5000, a camera that has virtually no highlight headroom even in RAW.
>
> Herb...
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the difference is that it works for situations that people care about and
that it is far too time-consuming to even consider using with film.
Herb...
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incidentally, my photo editors don't care how i get the shots, just the
results.
Herb...
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
What you're doing d
What you're doing does not mean that digital has 15 stops of latitude.
You are combining several exposures to give an effective range of fifteen
stops. A big difference. Plus, the technique is practically worthless for
many types of photography, such as when there's subject movement, like in a
Nikon Coolpix
5000, a camera that has virtually no highlight headroom even in RAW.
Herb...
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The big limitation in shooting jpegs is that you don't h
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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
Where were you when some list members were insisting that digital had 15
stops of latitude.?
Thank you ! I will try these tips and will do some more investigation on raw
vs jpg highlight/shadow detail, there might be hope
afterall. :)
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&g
ference only in shadows ? You have
> some realy nice pictures on photo.net by the way.
>
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> > The big l
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This digital exposure latitude looks more like Velvia 50 to
me.
> > That is fine for controlled shooting but for noon snapshots
it is
> > terrible, I hope that AF360 can control this contrast at
least for
> > people snapshots.
>
> If you are shooti
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I would be more happy if they worked on more exposure
latitude than
> >more megapixels. D has much less exposure latitude than
Astia
> > 100F.
>
> Where were you when some list members were insisting that
digital had
> 15 stops of latitude.?
Not
photo.net by the way.
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Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
> The big limitation in shooting jpegs is that you don't have the exposure
> control that you get when converting RAW in
The big limitation in shooting jpegs is that you don't have the exposure
control that you get when converting RAW in PSCS. There is no comparison
between jpeg and RAW. It's like night and day. Here's a shot I did yesterday to
test the 28/3.5 for another member. It includes snow in bright sun and
> If you are shooting jpegs, you are limiting things somewhat.
> I also don't think digital has the latitude that film does, but I bow
> to the knowledge of those who disagree with me on it.
Shooting jpegs limits some shadow detail but that "detail" is mostly noise in
my opinion.
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From: "David Zaninovic"
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
This digital exposure latitude looks more like Velvia 50 to me.
That is fine for controlled shooting but for noon snapshots it is
terrible, I hope that AF360 can control this contrast at
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> Being happy shooting Astia at noon with great shadow and highlight detail and
> bitching about scanning and waiting for slides to
come
> back from developing.
>
> > Where we
Being happy shooting Astia at noon with great shadow and highlight detail and
bitching about scanning and waiting for slides to come
back from developing.
> Where were you when some list members were insisting that digital had
> 15 stops of latitude.?
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From: "David Zaninovic"
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
That is fine for photographs but for snapshots it does not work.
For example when I give the camera to my wife. :) I want the
camera to think for her as much as possible.
Poor women,
The latitude of digital varies greatly in regard to the way one works.
>
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> From: "David Zaninovic"
> Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
>
>
> >I would be more happy if they worked on more exposure latitude than
> >mo
ry other aspect except
> > exposure latitude for me. Maybe I should try using my AF360 set on contrast
> > control, does that help ?
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> > Sent: Saturday, F
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From: "David Zaninovic"
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
I would be more happy if they worked on more exposure latitude than
more megapixels. D has much less exposure latitude than Astia
100F.
Where were you when some list members were insisting th
ld try using my AF360 set on contrast
> control, does that help ?
>
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> From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
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> > Of course
Maybe I should try using my AF360 set on contrast
control, does that help ?
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Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:19 AM
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> Of course I wasn't suggesting it was the
It's slang for Wal-Mart.
Bill
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
Wally World? Do you work at an amusement park - something like Sea
Worrld?
Is i
Wally World? Do you work at an amusement park - something like Sea Worrld?
Is it a place that's just local? Never heard of Wally World. Can't help
but think of Leave it To Beaver ... Don't mean to offend, it's just a
funny name ;-))
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Owens
> Unfortunat
On 26 Feb 2005 at 11:44, Peter J. Alling wrote:
8mp isn't enough of an improvement in resolution over 6mp to make much
difference, especially as
there will be an increase in noise at higher ISOs.
Regardless it makes a world or difference as a sales and marketing lever,
especially to those new to t
26, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
8mp isn't enough of an improvement in resolution over 6mp to make much
difference, especially as
there will be an increase in noise at higher ISOs. This will have to be
removed by software which will
probably cost quality. If it
On 26 Feb 2005 at 11:44, Peter J. Alling wrote:
> 8mp isn't enough of an improvement in resolution over 6mp to make much
> difference, especially as
> there will be an increase in noise at higher ISOs.
Regardless it makes a world or difference as a sales and marketing lever,
especially to those
--- Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not to sound nitpicky, but a "true spot meter" for me would
have to be
> smaller than 6mm circle. In the nikons, the spot is about the
size of
> the focusing brackets, 2.3mm (even less with the high-end
1-digit
> bodies). The 1D... canons are the same. Tha
er
M42 Super
Takumar and SMC Takumar lenses.
Jim A.
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mike wilson wrote:
Ryan Lee wrote:
http://www.
with what works..
Cheers,
Ryan
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8mp isn't enough of an improvement in resolution over 6mp to make much
difference, espe
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> 8mp isn't enough of an improvement in resolution over 6mp to make much
> difference, especially as
> there will be an increase in noise at higher ISOs. This will have to be
> remove
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mike wilson wrote:
Ryan Lee wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos
t; Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:09:01 -0500
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> mike wilson wrote:
>
>> Ryan Lee wrote:
>>
>>> http:
GD> I have heard this thing about Canon having no "true spot meter"
GD> so many times...
GD> It's incorrect. Even the Canon 10D has a "limited area metering"
GD> mode which is virtually identical in size to what Pentax calls a
GD> "spot" meter. If you read the instruction booklets for both
GD> cam
8mp isn't enough of an improvement in resolution over 6mp to make much
difference, especially as
there will be an increase in noise at higher ISOs. This will have to be
removed by software which will
probably cost quality. If it's the usual Canon construction for their
lower end cameras the fe
mike wilson wrote:
Ryan Lee wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos350d/
Canon 350D: About the same dimensions as the ist DS, 60g lighter, and 8
megapixels. Thoughts?
Does it take Pentax glass?
No, but it does have a mirror prism.
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
Dur
the scale to take on the 350D in terms of price! I'd much rather
see a 10mp "ist Dx" than them cut the ist ds price in half..
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Ryan
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From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ryan Lee"
Sent: Sunday, Febr
--- Alin Flaider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The too small viewfinder denies the other main reason for
operating
> a DSLR. No true spot meter either. Certainly not the camera
to
> switch systems for.
I have heard this thing about Canon having no "true spot meter"
so many times...
It's inco
The too small viewfinder denies the other main reason for operating
a DSLR. No true spot meter either. Certainly not the camera to
switch systems for.
Servus, Alin
Ryan wrote:
RL> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos350d/
RL> Canon 350D: About the same dimensions as the ist DS, 60
Ryan Lee wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos350d/
Canon 350D: About the same dimensions as the ist DS, 60g lighter, and 8
megapixels. Thoughts?
Does it take Pentax glass?
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos350d/
Canon 350D: About the same dimensions as the ist DS, 60g lighter, and 8
megapixels. Thoughts?
Rgds,
Ryan
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