RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-11 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Mike Mike wrote: >Well, okay, but reemmber you _have_ to get the test negs developed to the >same CI, and you _have_ to use a densitometer to confirm this--the results >are meaningless if you just do it by eye and don't match contrast. I have no doubt that the difference will not have to be me

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Shel wrote: > A densitometer is fine, but there are other characteristics that > re quite important as well, which a densitometer cannot > measure. Edge effects, tonal gradation, accutance and sharpness > come to mind. True. But if you are testing a water-bath regimen against a non-water-bat

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds
tom wrote: > I also plan to try XTOL...Aaron has been spazzing about Studional, so I > may try that too, since it seems to be pretty versatile. *sniff* I just LIKE it, okay? *sniff* :) I like Microphen, too. -Aaron chemical spaz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To uns

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A densitometer is fine, but there are other characteristics that re quite important as well, which a densitometer cannot measure. Edge effects, tonal gradation, accutance and sharpness come to mind. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Johnston wrote: > > Jens wrote: > > > Hi Sh

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds
tom wrote: > Anyway, that experience got me looking at Delta again. If I can figure > out how to control the highlights (PMK?) I may just switch. Are your highlights blocking up? I'd suggest shortening the processing time (or if you're labbing it, shoot the film a little higher, at maybe 160

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Peter Alling
Don't worry Shel, Wide ties come back every decade or so and bell-bottoms tried to make a comeback just recently, (where's that flamethrower when I need it)? But I doubt we'll ever see Super-XX again. --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Johnston wrote: > > > This really went ou

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread tom
Thanks for the info Mike. tv Mike Johnston wrote: > > tv wrote: > > > Oh great, another variable, thanks... > > There are only three variables that are significant, assuming you're not > going to play with (vary) your enlarger light source. These are encoded in > the term "FDP," which stands

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Mike Johnston wrote: > This really went out with bell-bottoms, > wide ties, and Super-XX. Darn! There goes my spring wardrobe ;-( -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directio

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ken Archer wrote: > This technique has been around >at least 40 years that I know about. What worked 40 years ago may not work as well on contemporary films, or have any benefit when compared to some of the current developers and other developing techniques. > Let me give you a little theo

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Mike Johnston
Ken wrote: > This technique has been around at least 40 years that I know about...This technique is very > effective at avoiding blocked highlights while opening up the shadows. Ken, Oh, no it isn't. It might have been 40 years ago with the emulsions that were common back then but not with toda

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Ken Archer
This technique has been around at least 40 years that I know about. Let me give you a little theory behind it. Highlight areas require much more developer than the shadow areas. When you first put the film in the developer, it soaks up an equal amount throughout the emulsion. If you took the f

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Mike It is true, that many great photographs origin in the concept of controling the whole process: Exposure, film, development, printing. Where can we find this program by Phil Davis? Jens - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and fol

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Mike Johnston
tv wrote: > Oh great, another variable, thanks... There are only three variables that are significant, assuming you're not going to play with (vary) your enlarger light source. These are encoded in the term "FDP," which stands for Film, film Developer, and Paper. Most anecdotal "trials" (calle

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Shel I forgot to mention, that I think that by just reducing dev. time, as suggested, you will just get a weaker negative, not more "colour" in the shadows (on the contrary). The cat pictures are indeed very difficut, as for most back lit scenes, the contast in the main subject tends to be rath

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Jens Bladt
orks better. Best Regards Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På; vegne af Shel Belinkoff Sendt: 10. februar 2001 13:44 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: OT: Ilford film choice Jens Bladt wrote: > I can't help wondering if your problem lies in develo

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Jens Bladt wrote: > I can't help wondering if your problem lies in developing, rather than > printing. Your cat pictures have very high contast. One way of dealing with > this is to stop development halfway through. Exchange the developer with > plain water for a few minutes. Then exchange the wa

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-10 Thread Jens Bladt
Emne: Re: OT: Ilford film choice Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Maybe I can learn something from your problems. At what EI do > you expose Delta 100, and under what lighting conditions? What > developer have you used? Time/temp/agitation? I shot these back before I had a darkroom or

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Mike Johnston
tv wrote: > True, it just seems Delta 100 is more finicky in that regard. The few > negs I have have highlights that are just tough to print. > More experimentation is needed. Or a different paper. Highlight contrast is built into the printing paper and doesn't usually change much with filter

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread tom
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Maybe I can learn something from your problems. At what EI do > you expose Delta 100, and under what lighting conditions? What > developer have you used? Time/temp/agitation? I shot these back before I had a darkroom or was doing my own processing, so these are all (3

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
tom wrote: > True, it just seems Delta 100 is > more finicky in that regard. The few > negs I have have highlights that are > just tough to print. Maybe I can learn something from your problems. At what EI do you expose Delta 100, and under what lighting conditions? What developer have you u

RE: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Tom Sorry - I should have said: .over exposure reduces contrast. Jens - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread tom
Jens Bladt wrote: > > Hi Tom > About the highlights. The thumb rule (that you probably already know) is, > that the higlights are controled by developing the film. The shadows by the > exposure. True, it just seems Delta 100 is more finicky in that regard. The few negs I have have highlights th

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
tom wrote: > Anyway, that experience got me > looking at Delta again. If I can > figure out how to control the > highlights (PMK?) I may just switch. At Mark's suggestion, I picked up a few roll of Delta 100, and am quite anxious to see the results. Unfortunately, it's not been Delta weather

Re: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Jens Bladt wrote: > > HI Terence > B.S!!! > The Delta films are very sharp, very > fine grain, great tones. I only use > something else if I have to. Hi Jens ... While that may be your experience, others, using different chemicals, different techniques, and who have different water, may find t

Re: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Terence Mac Goff
Yup - I'd agree on developer as well. I tend to use with Agfa Rodinal Special, Ilford IlfoSol, or Perceptol (bugger to make, but worth it). I have used t-max developer once or twice, and was very surprised at the awfulness of the results, so i've tended to stay away. That said, my favourite

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread tom
Mark Dalal wrote: > > Hi Terence, > > For the past few weeks, I've been using Delta 100 in PMK Pyro and the > combination has been truly excellent. Contrast control is excellent and it's > pretty hard to screw up a neg. The prints have been tremendously sharp and > smooth. I'm getting ready to s

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Mark Dalal
T. wrote: >I traditionally use FP4 and HP5, but I've been wondering about Delta 100 and 400. I've shot a few rolls of >Delta 400, but it seems to lack some of the "black and Whiteishness" of the older emulsions, as in not quite >as contrasty etc. >Does anyone have experience of these emulsions,

Re: OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Developer makes a big difference in film choice. What developer are you (or the lab that you're going to) using? I've been having great results of late with Delta 100 and Delta 3200 in Agfa Studional. My one roll of Delta 400 I was pushing it to 800 and I was kind of underwhelmed by my results,

OT: Ilford film choice

2001-02-09 Thread Terence Mac Goff
Hi. I've been playing around now for a few weeks with Ilford Film again after a brief stint using Agfa B&W. I traditionally use FP4 and HP5, but I've been wondering about Delta 100 and 400. I've shot a few rolls of Delta 400, but it seems to lack some of the "black and Whiteishness" of the