Well try a pair of monoculars, then. :-)
2011/5/4 Boris Liberman :
> On 4/17/2011 21:19, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>>
>> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
>> ;-)
>
> Igor, look for the answer within... In our native language we don't say "a
> pair of binoculars" b
On 5/4/2011 14:32, Igor Roshchin wrote:
Boris, I understand what you mean, and I thought about that.
I don't say "a pair of pants" in any language: My guts curl up in the
opposite direction every time I hear any of these expressions.
:-)
Igor
My lips are sealed... If only for sake of proper di
Wed May 4 04:22:22 EDT 2011
Boris Liberman wrote:
> On 4/17/2011 21:19, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> > "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
> > ;-)
>
> Igor, look for the answer within... In our native language we don't say
> "a pair of binoculars" but we definitely
On 4/17/2011 21:19, Igor Roshchin wrote:
"A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
;-)
Igor, look for the answer within... In our native language we don't say
"a pair of binoculars" but we definitely say "a pair of pants"...
Boris
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I guess the reason I posted that was the humorous juxtaposition of a discussion
of the correct use of one word or words, and the alphabet soup representing the
current use of terms online using first letters only of the phrases one wants
to convey.
An assault on the senses of many who take gre
Joseph,
Sorry, I don't think I understand you here.. Are you referring to the
abbreviations I used? Why? I missed the connection.
Igor
> Igor, did you look up at the same time the definitions of the
> internet-ese you used in posting this message?
> The English and my distant relative Webster
>> BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English. . .
Um, no, it's not. It tries with great energy to span all the
Englishes, and doesn't do a bad job. I worked on the OED for some
years starting in 1987 and have to shut up right here lest I become
boring on the topic. -T
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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:59:10PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
> BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English. . .
Well, of course it is.
But who else are you going to accept as the authority on the language?
An anectode I fondly remember from my past:
At one of the Cambridge Union deba
Igor, did you look up at the same time the definitions of the internet-ese you
used in posting this message?
The English and my distant relative Webster would be beside themselves. :-)
On Apr 17, 2011, at 19:59 , Igor Roshchin wrote:
> [See the most interesting for PDML finging on this questi
r San Pantalone, the patron saint of the city (from at least the
10th cent.). Cf. Italian pantaloni trousers (1799; < French).]
Igor
> From s...@trantor.komkon.org Sun Apr 17 14:19:31 2011
> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:19:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Igor Roshchin
> To: PDML@pdml.
I have a pair of Nikon binoculars I keep in the car for "just in case".
I would have bought Pentax, but at the time I was in the market, no one
around here stocked Pentax.
The binoculars I've looked at, I thought the Pentax binoculars were
better quality than the equivalent Nikon binoculars.
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars!
> (Binocular is a pair of monoculars or telescopes.)
You are correct, and this usage is observed by professionals in the
field. For example, on Zeiss's web page: "Thi
"A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
No, that would be "a couple of pairs of binoculars". I am personally
holding out for "multiple binoculi".
;-)
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
>
> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or ju
An aside: I remember back in 2000 on a safari in Tanzania. Various
brands of binoculars, but one woman had Leica. The difference in
brightness and clarity was astonishing. Our native guide borrowed
them once and did a literal double take. Hide told me after that he
didn't know the such things
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:32 , John Francis wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>>
>>
>> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
>> ;-)
>>
>> But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars!
>
> Not in
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Igor Roshchin
> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one
> _binocular_?
> ;-)
>
it's a pair of binoculars.
>
> My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use "pair of ..." with the
> nouns which ar
Similar usage as "a pair of pants." The binoculars have two oculars, pants have
two legs.
stan
On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:32 PM, John Francis wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>>
>>
>> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
>
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
>
> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
> ;-)
>
> But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars!
Not in English.
It may not be accurate, or rational. But it is "
"A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
;-)
My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use "pair of ..." with the
nouns which are usually not used in a singular form (at least in the
contemporary language), such as "pants" ("pantaloons"), "trousers",
"shorts"
I have a Pentax spotting scope and the reaction of other birders with more
"popular" brands is to come over and have a look, then go "Holy cr@p that's
good".
I had a top of the range Nikon scope and wanted to change to something with
more light gathering power and looked at a bunch of 80mm scop
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Stan Halpin
wrote:
> Based on limited experience and what I have read (and heard from birders),
> some of what you get for more money is a more solid durable build (the very
> top end have 25 year or lifetime no-questions-asked warranties), waterproof
> fog fre
The local Audubon shop is a Pentax dealer. So some of Pentax's
offerings are probably suitable for birding.
I have an older version of their UFC 16x25, (the newer ones are
waterproof, I think, mine aren't), that work well enough.
They're not particularly expensive, pretty regularly on sale f
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Jim King wrote:
>
> Stan Halpin wrote on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:25:56 -0700
>
>>
>> So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any
>> comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me
>> that
>> I should (or sh
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:18 AM, John Francis wrote:
>
> So what do $500 binoculars offer that $100 (or $50) ones don't?
>
> When I wanted something halfway decent I sprang for a pair of
> Minolta 10x50, which set me back something around $80-$100 IIRC.
> They're about as heavy as I'd like to carry
Stan Halpin wrote on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:25:56 -0700
> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for
> birding.
> Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50
> compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious
>
So what do $500 binoculars offer that $100 (or $50) ones don't?
When I wanted something halfway decent I sprang for a pair of
Minolta 10x50, which set me back something around $80-$100 IIRC.
They're about as heavy as I'd like to carry around full-time,
so going for larger front elements wouldn't
Stan,
I am very happy with my Pentax 8x42 DCF HR II binoculars.
Phase coated, nitrogen filled, water proof, and astoundingly bright!
I liked them so much, I bought a 2nd pair so we both have them.
You won't be happy with Bushnel and I don't know about Nikon or Canon.
See the write-ups at Willowby's
I use a pair of Pentax binoculars XCF 10x50. I think there were a
little bit cheaper than your price range.
I use them at the local track for watching horse and dog racing from the
judges tower. I needed something to help identify colours of the
jockeys and horse details. For the dogs it is
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Stan Halpin
wrote:
> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for
> birding. Something
> in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50 compact
> everyday binocs
> we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious b
Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for birding.
Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50
compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious
birder" category.
My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to bu
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