Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread Frits Wüthrich
thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist FJW> fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer FJW> FJW> FJW> FJW> FJW> >From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FJW> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FJW> >To: <[EMAIL PROTEC

RE: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread frank theriault
The DC 3 was the Spotmatic of airplanes! -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, better than an outside toilet :-) Now come on, every one likes flying - it's c

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread frank theriault
s true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: SpaceShipOne Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:15:29 -0400 Provincetown-Boston Airways still flies them. Bill - Original Message

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2004-06-22 Thread Malcolm Smith
Cotty wrote: > >How about this?: > > > >http://www.douglasdc3.com/ > > > >Nice photos too. > > For God's sake Malcolm, don't give the aviators an inch! > There'll be hairy-knuckled talk of trim levers and leather > flying goggles in no time, those seat-of-your pants flights > and scraping Fina

RE: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
-Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:25 PM > > Our space program started off as a pissing contest with the USSR > and the shuttle is twenty years old. How many of us drive a car anywhere > near that old. I drive a 1986 Mustang GT r

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread graywolf
ssage - From: "graywolf" Subject: Re: OT: SpaceShipOne BTW, I can not believe that any real airline in the world still has DC-3's in regular passenger service. There was one that flew in and out of our airport fairly regularly until just a few years ago. It wasn't a pass

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2004-06-22 Thread Peter J. Alling
No one in a large organization ever lost their job for failing in a bold initiative, if they didn't try one. The shuttle is a known quantity, necessary for operations and should be replaced, but new technology brings new risks, especially the risk of failure. Buffalo Airways http://www.buffalo

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread Peter J. Alling
- From: "graywolf" Subject: Re: OT: SpaceShipOne BTW, I can not believe that any real airline in the world still has DC-3's in regular passenger service. There was one that flew in and out of our airport fairly regularly until just a few years ago. It wasn'

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-22 Thread Steve Desjardins
Sorry. Meant Burt. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/04 08:29PM >>> > > I just heard that SpaceShipOne successfully made it into space (100 km) > and back again, making it the first private vehicle to do so. Quite an > achievement. Another feather in the cap of Dick Rutan. Would he be any relation t

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-21 Thread Gary Sibio
At 03:02 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: A car is a bad analogy. The shuttle fleet is more like a fleet of airplanes. The Air force is expecting to fly B52s until they are about 100 years old. There are airlines still flying DC-3's profitably. The age of the airframe isn't the problem. It's the use

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2004-06-21 Thread Gary Sibio
At 02:30 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: Neither do any of our cars cost in excess of $20,000,000. Yes, let's DO be realistic... Being realistic means that you acknowledge that there has been a technological advance or two since the shuttle was designed. I realize that there has been some retrofitting

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2004-06-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "graywolf" Subject: Re: OT: SpaceShipOne > > BTW, I can not believe that any real airline in the world still has DC-3's in > regular passenger service. There was one that flew in and out of our airport fairly regularly until just a fe

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2004-06-21 Thread Peter J. Alling
Basler 67s, (up dated DC-3), are apparently being used lots of places. I guess it depends on your definition of what an Airline is... http://www.baslerturbo.com/bt_67_worldwide.html graywolf wrote: Well any mechanical thing can last pretty much forever, if you do not mind the expense of maintai

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2004-06-21 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > BTW, I can not believe that any real airline in the world still has DC-3's in > regular passenger service. They are still popular with charter airlines and some "Island-hopping" operations. I don't think any "major" airlines

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2004-06-21 Thread Christian Skofteland
Burt designs the things. Dick and Gina Yeager flew "Voyager" around the world non-stop without refueling Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June

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2004-06-21 Thread graywolf
Well any mechanical thing can last pretty much forever, if you do not mind the expense of maintaining it. Some of those far better than new classic cars you see where rusting hulks before restoration. Never mind that a car that cost $1800 new took $50,000-100,000 to make like that. A DC-3 cost

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-21 Thread Peter J. Alling
Brother... John Francis wrote: I just heard that SpaceShipOne successfully made it into space (100 km) and back again, making it the first private vehicle to do so. Quite an achievement. Another feather in the cap of Dick Rutan. Would he be any relation to Burt Rutan?:-)

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2004-06-21 Thread John Francis
> > I just heard that SpaceShipOne successfully made it into space (100 km) > and back again, making it the first private vehicle to do so. Quite an > achievement. Another feather in the cap of Dick Rutan. Would he be any relation to Burt Rutan?:-)

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2004-06-21 Thread John Francis
> > Our space program started off as a pissing contest with the USSR > and the shuttle is twenty years old. How many of us drive a car anywhere > near that old. I drive a 1986 Mustang GT ragtop as my daily driver. Paul Stenquist drives a 1955 car (although not as primary transport). Shel dri

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2004-06-21 Thread frank theriault
Sheesh, They're still flying DC 3's. Some of those must be over 60 and approaching 70 years old. Properly maintained, an airframe should last indefinitely. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer F

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2004-06-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/6/04, SDJ, discombobulated, offered: >I just heard that SpaceShipOne successfully made it into space (100 km) >and back again, making it the first private vehicle to do so. Quite an >achievement. Another feather in the cap of Dick Rutan. FANTASTIC. Saw it on the telly. Cheers, Cotty

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2004-06-21 Thread Otis Wright
Keith Whaley wrote: Gary Sibio wrote: At 01:41 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: That is great news! Now maybe space exploration and exploitation will replace government publicity programs. Nah! They will just regulate it to death. While I believe that some government regulation will be necessary to

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-21 Thread Peter J. Alling
A car is a bad analogy. The shuttle fleet is more like a fleet of airplanes. The Air force is expecting to fly B52s until they are about 100 years old. There are airlines still flying DC-3's profitably. The age of the airframe isn't the problem. It's the use to which it has been put. NASA'

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-21 Thread Keith Whaley
Gary Sibio wrote: At 01:41 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: That is great news! Now maybe space exploration and exploitation will replace government publicity programs. Nah! They will just regulate it to death. While I believe that some government regulation will be necessary to ensure public safety,

Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-21 Thread Gary Sibio
At 01:41 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: That is great news! Now maybe space exploration and exploitation will replace government publicity programs. Nah! They will just regulate it to death. While I believe that some government regulation will be necessary to ensure public safety, I'm all for shuttin

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2004-06-21 Thread graywolf
That is great news! Now maybe space exploration and exploitation will replace government publicity programs. Nah! They will just regulate it to death. -- Steve Desjardins wrote: I just heard that SpaceShipOne successfully made it into space (100 km) and back again, making it the first private veh

OT: SpaceShipOne

2004-06-21 Thread Steve Desjardins
I just heard that SpaceShipOne successfully made it into space (100 km) and back again, making it the first private vehicle to do so. Quite an achievement. Another feather in the cap of Dick Rutan. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540)