Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 23, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: You are very good at what you do. As a matter of fact, when I am photographing still lifes of found objects, I often think about how you would shoot it. But just as

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: You don't have to understand why people do it, you just have to remember that people do it. You do seem to occasionally react to friendly ribbing as a direct insult, and once in a while your discussions seem to devolve

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Yeah, well none of that seemed to bother HCB too much, did it? ;-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sent: September 23, 2012 Well it's IIIc and

RE: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Reminds me of Enzo Ferrari, who said (paraphrasing liberally) that by the time one can afford to buy his cars they are too old to enjoy them. cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
I used my IIIc quite a bit and my IIIf, which is basically the same, was used extensively. Still use it from time to time. It's just a matter of getting accustomed to it. I even progressed to the point where I could load it while walking. A loud shutter on a Barnack Leica is a sign that a CLA

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, it was quiet, but it's almost impossible for a focal plane shutter to be more quiet than a well made leaf shutter... On 9/23/2012 10:20 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I used my IIIc quite a bit and my IIIf, which is basically the same, was used extensively. Still use it from time to time.

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread Steven Desjardins
Of course, if I had the money I'd order one in a minute with some bleedingly sharp lens. On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it was quiet, but it's almost impossible for a focal plane shutter to be more quiet than a well made leaf shutter...

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That means just about any lens that can fit a Leica ... ;-) On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if I had the money I'd order one in a minute with some bleedingly sharp lens. On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, P. J. Alling

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: You are very good at what you do. As a matter of fact, when I am photographing still lifes of found objects, I often think about how you would shoot it. But just as I get constantly teased about my photos of disrobed

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: X2? I thought you had an M9? I have both now. Unless you are photographing something like dancers in a dark room. 25,600 is certainly rough, but not as rough as it would be photographing lindy hoppers at 1/30 Second.

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Tim Bray
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you're making a living from a particular kind of job, you always have those luxuries. Change the light. :-) Bah... For some of us, the good pictures are found not staged. -T -- Godfrey

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you're making a living from a particular kind of job, you always have those luxuries. Change the light. :-) Bah... For some of us, the

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 22, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you're making a living from a particular kind of job, you always have those

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Larry, Have you tried infrared flash for this stuff. Long ago a friend gave me some shots he captured for the yearbook at a dark music weekend. Compromising photos he conveniently 'lost'. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2012, at

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Tim Bray
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Sometimes, perfectly sharp just isn't possible, especially on a Pentax rather than a Leica budget. Oh, so if I get a Leica my pictures will all be sharp? Zowie! -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 22, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Larry, Have you tried infrared flash for this stuff. One interesting aspect of the K100D is that it has a very weak IR blocking filter. For $14 BH sells a 3 square polyester IR filter:

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ya, and you'll be able to see the King's new clothes. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Sometimes, perfectly sharp just isn't possible, especially on a Pentax rather

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 22, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Tim Bray wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Sometimes, perfectly sharp just isn't possible, especially on a Pentax rather than a Leica budget. Oh, so if I get a Leica my pictures will all be sharp? Zowie! -T Having

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: That's not always an option. Dancers appreciate getting photos of themselves, but they don't appreciate a flash. And I can certainly appreciate that. Last weekend there was someone shooting by bouncing her flash off

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
9/22/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-) Ya, and you'll be able to see the King's new clothes. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Sent: September 22, 2012 9/22/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: That's not always an option. Dancers appreciate getting photos of themselves, but they don't appreciate a flash. And I can certainly appreciate that. Last weekend

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Please: We prefer calling it ethereal monochromatic nocturnal urban imagery. Thank you, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: September 22, 2012 9/22/12 To:

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Hey, Frank does blurry urban BW during daytime as well. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Please: We prefer calling it ethereal monochromatic nocturnal urban imagery. Thank you, frank What can be asserted without proof can be

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-) Hey, Frank does blurry urban BW during daytime as well. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Please: We prefer calling

RE: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling I think we can all attest to that. Hell, I own a Leica and I'm pretty sure that I've never shown anyone photographs I took with it... Leicas are wasted on the type of people

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-22 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/23/2012 1:07 AM, Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling I think we can all attest to that. Hell, I own a Leica and I'm pretty sure that I've never shown anyone photographs I took with it... Leicas are

OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I was curious just what quality I could obtain out of the X2 at its highest sensitivity settings so I did a quick test, from ISO 12500 to ISO 800. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25268645/x2-noise/index.html I'm pretty happy with what I see, even at ISO 12500. enjoy! Godfrey -- a photo blog:

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
It amazes me what cameras can do at high iso. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: I was curious just what quality I could obtain out of the X2 at its highest sensitivity settings so I did a quick test, from ISO 12500 to ISO 800.

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-21 Thread Miserere
On 21 September 2012 13:19, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: That Sony 16MP *is* a great sensor. Makes me wonder why 12,500 is the maximum ISO for the X2; the K-5 handled 25,600 rather well, and it was an earlier

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Given the photos I've seen, 51600 must be the flying saucer setting. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 September 2012 13:19, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: That Sony 16MP

Re: OT - Leica X2 noise test (really: Sony 16Mpixel sensor love … ;-)

2012-09-21 Thread Larry Colen
X2? I thought you had an M9? On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: That Sony 16MP *is* a great sensor. Makes me wonder why 12,500 is the maximum ISO for the X2; the K-5 handled 25,600 rather well, and it was