Talk about Ansel Adams (see "A door to nowhere" thread) had me searching
for something about a repeated criticism of Ansel Adams that I've run
across: that he's the Normal Rockwell of photogs; that his output is
kitsch rather than art; that his belief in beauty above all rather then
social rele
I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he admits
to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand the artistry of
Adams' work and how he was able to bend light in the darkroom to idealize a
scene. He seems dismissive of the zone system, a a way of worki
The essay includes another bit of nonsense to which I should have called
attention. He writes, "Adams's wilderness studies are the staple of the gift
store rather than the cutting-edge art gallery, " '
This is simply untrue. Most major art museums in the United states, including
the Met, the Ge
On 9/19/2011 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he admits
to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand the artistry of
Adams' work and how he was able to bend light in the darkroom to idealize a
scene. He seems d
On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> On 9/19/2011 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he
>> admits to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand the
>> artistry of Adams' work and how he was able to
On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>> On 9/19/2011 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he
>>> admits to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't und
On 9/19/2011 7:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On 9/19/2011 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he admits
to an Adams renaissance,
On 9/19/2011 7:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On 9/19/2011 7:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On 9/19/2011 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
> Diffusion or diffraction?
> It was my understanding that diffraction happens at any opaque edge within a
> range that is determined by the wavelength. Therefore the larger the
> aperture the smaller the percentage of it that will be subjec
On 2011-09-19 22:52, Larry Colen wrote:
None of which has anything to do with whether the author knows diddly
about photography, the artistic appeal of Ansel Adams photography, or
whether anyone who spends too much time worrying about such things
beyond whether they like a particular photograph,
On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, David Parsons wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>> Diffusion or diffraction?
>> It was my understanding that diffraction happens at any opaque edge within a
>> range that is determined by the wavelength. Therefore the larger the
>> a
I agree with Paul!
Jack
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From: Paul Stenquist
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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: OT But is it art?
On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Larry Colen
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, David Parsons wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> Diffusion or diffraction?
>>> It was my understanding that diffraction happens at any opaque edge within a
>>> range that i
From: Bruce Walker
Talk about Ansel Adams (see "A door to nowhere" thread) had me searching
for something about a repeated criticism of Ansel Adams that I've run
across: that he's the Normal Rockwell of photogs; that his output is
kitsch rather than art; that his belief in beauty above all rather
I'm sure I would enjoy seeing the photo galleries of any Ansel Adams critic.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is m
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
>
> I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he
> admits to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand
> the artistry of Adams' work and how he was able to bend li
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Darren Addy
>
> I'm sure I would enjoy seeing the photo galleries of any Ansel Adams
> critic.
>
I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you suggesting
that noone should criticise something unless they
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Bob W wrote:
> I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you suggesting
> that noone should criticise something unless they have personally done
> better? That would be absurd.
I am suggesting that I personally value Accomplishment, no matter how
s
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Darren Addy
> > I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you
> suggesting
> > that noone should criticise something unless they have personally
> done
> > better? That would be absurd.
>
> I am suggesting
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Bob W wrote:
>> The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
>> insufficient mental capacity to form one of their own.
>
> that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
> Congratulations.
But you can't be SURE until you
On 20/09/2011 12:35 PM, Bob W wrote:
that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list dickweed?
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Darren Addy wrote:
> I'm sure I would enjoy seeing the photo galleries of any Ansel Adams critic.
>
> "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the
> strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them
> better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> William Robb
> >
> > that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
> >
> Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list
> dickweed?
>
you're gonna need to pick up the pace a bit,
On 11-09-20 2:11 PM, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Paul Stenquist
I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he
admits to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand
the artistry of Adams' work and ho
On 9/20/2011 11:35 AM, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Darren Addy
I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you
suggesting
that noone should criticise something unless they have personally
done
better? That would be absurd
On 9/20/2011 11:56 AM, Tom C wrote:
Nice quote and I'll agree to that last statement. :-) Budweiser still
goes better with pizza than anything non-beer.
I'll keep that in mind. I've never enjoyed it with anything else
non-beer. Generally, when I've had it I've been sadder budweiser.
--
La
On 9/20/2011 11:52 AM, William Robb wrote:
On 20/09/2011 12:35 PM, Bob W wrote:
that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list
dickweed?
You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed an
On 9/20/2011 12:05 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Kenneth Brower does an admirable and thorough job of fending off all
of Adam's critics, including an accidental critic: John Szarkowski ...
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/07/brower.htm
I wonder how much of Adams' work is underap
On Sep 20, 2011, at 13:56, Tom C wrote:
>
> Nice quote and I'll agree to that last statement. :-) Budweiser still
> goes better with pizza than anything non-beer.
>
Cheap white wine from a box - with ice cubes - works for me! I have no class.
-Charles
--
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Bob W wrote, in repsonse to Darren Addy:
>> I am suggesting that I personally value Accomplishment, no matter how
>> small, over Criticism (no matter how highly-regarded).
>>
>> The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
>> insufficient mental capacity to form one of their
> I wonder how much of Adams' work is underappreciated by not seeing the
> original prints, but only seeing it on posters on office walls, or
> perhaps on the web. Kind of like watching Star Wars via VHS on a 12"
> CRT TV in 2000, versus watching it in the theater in July 1977.
>
> --
> Larry Col
>
> I have an acquaintance who fancies himself a movie director though
> he's never sold anything commercially. I've found I've stopped
> discussing movies I like because I watch a movie to be entertained. He
> watches a movie to critique it, and that takes all the fun out of it.
>
> Tom C.
That
On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed and you were
the list asshole. Now I'm confused.
We don't actually have an official list asshole at the moment.
I transferred to the Dickweed department a while back, and left the
positi
On 20/09/2011 1:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
I wonder how much of Adams' work is underappreciated by not seeing the
original prints,
I saw an original (signed by St. Ansel himself) print of Moonrise over
Hernandez in a gallery in Santa Fe. I was struck by the depth and sheer
richness of the ton
> -Original Message-
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> William Robb
> Sent: 20 September 2011 22:58
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> Subject: Re: OT But is it art?
>
> On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> &
On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Bob W wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> William Robb
>> Sent: 20 September 2011 22:58
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: OT B
am Robb
>>> Sent: 20 September 2011 22:58
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: OT But is it art?
>>>
>>> On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're the list dickweed? I
What a bum!
On 11-09-20 8:35 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Cheeky bastard.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Bob W wrote:
while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tyn
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:09:47PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
>
> while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
> following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
> most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
> non-functional. Although t
Apparently to some the butt is art.
Jack
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: OT But is it art?
What a bum!
On 11-09-20 8:35 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Cheeky bastard.
>
> On Tu
Indeed. Many biologist believe that human women have permanently
engorged breasts to simulate the cleavage of the buttocks when we
began to walk upright. I believe this happened initially with Homo
Erectus.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:56 PM, John Francis wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:09:47P
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Indeed. Many biologist believe that human women have permanently
> engorged breasts to simulate the cleavage of the buttocks when we
> began to walk upright. I believe this happened initially with Homo
> Erectus.
FINALLY we have an exp
On 21/09/2011 5:31 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Indeed. Many biologist believe that human women have permanently
engorged breasts to simulate the cleavage of the buttocks when we
began to walk upright. I believe this happened initially with Homo
I always thought it was to do with being able
From: "Bob W"
I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you suggesting
that noone should criticise something unless they have personally done
better? That would be absurd.
Is it informed criticism or uninformed criticism? I understand and
appreciate the value of the former.
B
From: Larry Colen
On 9/20/2011 11:52 AM, William Robb wrote:
On 20/09/2011 12:35 PM, Bob W wrote:
that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list
dickweed?
You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the lis
The reason Adams' work seems kitsch is that he defined the genera, and
any critic who thinks that social relevance defines "Art" should be
taken out and shot immediately.
On 9/19/2011 8:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Talk about Ansel Adams (see "A door to nowhere" thread) had me
searching for some
On Sep 24, 2011, at 10:08 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> The reason Adams' work seems kitsch is that he defined the genera, and any
> critic who thinks that social relevance defines "Art" should be taken out and
> shot immediately.
Well said, Peter.
Paul
>
> On 9/19/2011 8:42 PM, Bruce Walker w
Interestingly, Google has decided to bracket this thread (in my Gmail
account) with "Buy Banksy Prints" ads from www.veramararts.com.
Reminding me to tell you that if you have not yet seen the Banksy
produced movie "Exit Through the Gift Shop" then you really owe it to
yourself to see it.
Darren
Then the first one up against the wall will be HCB himself.
"The world is going to pieces and Adams and Weston are photographing
rocks and trees."
-- Henri Cartier-Bresson
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ansel/filmmore/pt.html
If you didn't wade through the entire thread you likely missed this.
HBC was a photographer and an activist, In the context of the time, I'd
cut him a little slack. However it doesn't mean I have to give his
opinion any more weight. At the time Photography was not really
considered an Art, more of a craft.
On 9/25/2011 6:15 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Then the
I don't care who said it, it is an ignorant and arrogant comment,
unworthy of a great artist.
Dan
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> Then the first one up against the wall will be HCB himself.
>
> "The world is go
HCB had trouble getting things in focus. That's okay, because he worked in an
entirely different genre than Adams. But his critique is simply bullshit.
Evidence of a small mind and a big ego.
Paul
Paul
On Sep 25, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I don't care who said it, it is an i
He's still human and entitled to any opinion. The 'greats' may have
been contemporaries, but they wouldn't necessarily like each other or
their work.
It's really no different than someone saying why have a space program
when there are homeless people here on Earth. Or why do anything for
foreign
On 25/09/2011 2:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I don't care who said it, it is an ignorant and arrogant comment,
unworthy of a great artist.
Quite often, the great artists are both ignorant and arrogant.
They are, after all, merely differently gifted versions of ourselves,
and they have, by
On Sep 25, 2011, at 20:52 , William Robb wrote:
> On 25/09/2011 2:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> I don't care who said it, it is an ignorant and arrogant comment,
>> unworthy of a great artist.
>>
> Quite often, the great artists are both ignorant and arrogant.
> They are, after all, merely d
Joe,
I guess you didn't look like much of a prospect to buy his artworks.
No other reason to be rude.
Regards, Bob S.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2011, at 20:52 , William Robb wrote:
>
>> On 25/09/2011 2:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> I don't care
From: Bob Sullivan
Joe,
I guess you didn't look like much of a prospect to buy his artworks.
No other reason to be rude.
Regards, Bob S.
Some people don't need a reason.
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On 9/26/2011 2:04 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
On Sep 25, 2011, at 20:52 , William Robb wrote:
On 25/09/2011 2:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I don't care who said it, it is an ignorant and arrogant comment,
unworthy of a great artist.
Quite often, the great artists are both ignorant and ar
On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:30 PM, David Parsons wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, David Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
Diffusion or diffraction?
It was my understanding that
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