Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling
The big white lenses are probably FA's still available in Japan I think. jim wrote: > Interesting catalogs. > I see the K200D has weather seals judging by the diagram and a grip. > On the 20D catalog, What are those big white lenses??? nothing in on the > list > Also, the pentax A series tele

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-24 Thread jim
Interesting catalogs. I see the K200D has weather seals judging by the diagram and a grip. On the 20D catalog, What are those big white lenses??? nothing in on the list Also, the pentax A series teleconverters are still avilable as well as the 1.7 auto focus adaptor James -- PDML

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Bong Manayon
Try this http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/index.php Bong On Jan 24, 2008 2:27 AM, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download >

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/23/2008 3:31:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read them... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's another link. > > http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf > > Beginning to feel no one reads my posts. :-( > > Marnie === Well, yeah, but

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
APS-C is actually slightly larger than DX format and Canon, like Microsoft attempts to redefine standards to suit themselves... The Sony sensors used by Nikon, Pentax and Minolta are much closer to APS C than Canon's. Adam Maas wrote: > DX format, not APS-C (No sensors are actually APS-C format,

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
The longer you run the CCD the hotter it becomes the more the noise builds up... My guess is that in bulb mode the images quickly become unusable at higher ISOs. Charles Robinson wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008, at 13:03, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> - Bracketing by a trip pressure >> > > Brac

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Well the 300 is really 450, or so the German brochure implies... David J Brooks wrote: > I don't need 14mp, but if its good at 6400, and it has the file name > adjustments, maybe. > > I'm more interested in getting up to speed with to lenses, either > the 60-250 or Tamron 70-200, and possibly som

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
I read them... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's another link. > > http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf > > Beginning to feel no one reads my posts. :-( > > Marnie > > > > > **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exerc

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Female of course, (lenses are male). Doug Brewer wrote: > is it male or female? > > > Tim Øsleby wrote: > >> A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor >> PDF's at bottom of page >> http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download >> I don't

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
We'll have to look at Cotty's hat for another year. Damn it! Regards, Bob S. On Jan 23, 2008 4:03 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DX format, not APS-C (No sensors are actually APS-C format, but Canon > refers to its 1.6x crop sensors as APS-C, as they are similar in > dimensions. DX f

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Marnie, Thanks, a nice brochure even in German... Regards, Bob S. On Jan 23, 2008 1:32 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's another link. > > http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf > > Beginning to feel no one reads my posts. :-( > > Marnie > > > > > **Start the year off ri

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
DX format, not APS-C (No sensors are actually APS-C format, but Canon refers to its 1.6x crop sensors as APS-C, as they are similar in dimensions. DX format is larger, with 1.5x crop). And yes, the K20D is very definitely DX format just like all other Pentax DSLR's. -Adam On 1/23/08, Roman Melihh

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
There aren't enough details about the K20D implementation yet. I hope it's good. The number of pixels on the display should not be an issue. All that's needed is to do a magnification in manual focus mode to enable you to see the critical focus point. The Panasonic L1, with a similar sized

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Gonz
I wish it had one thing more: histogram based on zoomed area Gonz On 1/23/08, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > I

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Roman Melihhov
Most expected piece of gear for me. I'd purchased K100D Super in anticipation of K20D. My german isn't so good. I must have missed that spec, saying something about sensor size. Given the known lense range I assume it'll be APS-C. And what's that dust alert thing? Can it just humbly shake it of

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
t;Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:27 PM > Subject: Official K20D and K200D (Almost) > > > >A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > > PDF's at bo

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/23/08, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008, at 13:03, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > - Bracketing by a trip pressure > > Bracketed exposures with one press of the shutter button.. > > Interestingly enough, the ISO setting is 100-6400 for everything but > BULB mode, where

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Tim Øsleby
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Official K20D and K200D (Almost) >A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > I don'

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
I'm generally of the opinion that pretty much anything in the $999+ pricepoint can be 'Pro' bodies. I don't find the E-3 to be built any better than an A700 or 40D(which thankfully is noticably better built than the 20D/30D) outside of better rubber cladding, I find the D300(and D200) to be more so

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Adam, My point wasn't anything to do with performance (and you already know that I find the reviewers online to be complete jerks in that respect). Only the pigeonholing that equipment junkies seem to love to do. If you don't think that the D300 and E-3 are professional quality bodies, we

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 23, 2008, at 13:03, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > - Bracketing by a trip pressure Bracketed exposures with one press of the shutter button.. Interestingly enough, the ISO setting is 100-6400 for everything but BULB mode, where it's restricted to 1600. Wonder what's going on there? -Charl

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- Original message -- > From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > I'll be buying, and soon. The extended ISO range and new B&W features > > are tipping me over. The rest is merely a nice upgrade. >

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/01/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >CMOS sensor >ISO 100-6400 >Same fps as K10 >4 EV SR (one step improvement) >PC-sync >19 segment metering (how many does K10 have?) >2,7 Live view LCD >More sophisticated jpg controll >Same battery and BG-2 >Physical it looks almost idenitcal to

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a message dated 1/23/2008 11:50:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I do, but I've been playing over at PentaxForums all day, so I already > had the PDF's ;-) > > -Adam > > On 1/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAI

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
Reportedly 6400 on the K20D looks like ISO 1000 on the K10D.Or so Benjikan over at PentaxForums notes (Prerelease firmware, he's betatesting the camera and will be posting shots right after the Press conference). -Adam On 1/23/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't need 14mp, but

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/23/2008 11:50:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do, but I've been playing over at PentaxForums all day, so I already had the PDF's ;-) -Adam On 1/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's another link. > > http://cze.dk/SLR_C

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/23/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 2:39 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'll be buying, and soon. The extended ISO range and new B&W features > > are tipping me over. The rest is merely a nice upgrade. > > I don't remember seeing anything on B&W f

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'll be buying, and soon. The extended ISO range and new B&W features > are tipping me over. The rest is merely a nice upgrade. > I'll buy. If the image is useable at 6400, it's probably damn good

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
I do, but I've been playing over at PentaxForums all day, so I already had the PDF's ;-) -Adam On 1/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's another link. > > http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf > > Beginning to feel no one reads my posts. :-( > > Marnie > > > > > *

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thnaks. You may be filtered :-) Tim Typo - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost) > Here's another link. > > http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf > > Begin

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread David J Brooks
On Jan 23, 2008 2:39 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll be buying, and soon. The extended ISO range and new B&W features > are tipping me over. The rest is merely a nice upgrade. I don't remember seeing anything on B&W features. Can you expand. Dave > > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
Might also have something to do with the E-3 being generally outperformed by the 40D and A700, which both deliver superior High ISO performance, as good or better AF and 5-6 fps. The E-3 is comparable to these 'semi-pro' bodies, not the D300 it's priced against (which stomps the E-3 in pretty much

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread David J Brooks
I don't need 14mp, but if its good at 6400, and it has the file name adjustments, maybe. I'm more interested in getting up to speed with to lenses, either the 60-250 or Tamron 70-200, and possibly some sort of 400. I'm still waiting on word for my Tamron 28-75. Dave Equine Photography www.caug

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf > > Beginning to feel no one reads my posts. :-( I do Marnie! :-) Thanks, that's a nice color brochure. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/p

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 1/23/08, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 07:27:55PM +0100, Tim ?sleby wrote: > > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > > PDF's at bottom of page > > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > >

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Eactivist
Here's another link. http://cze.dk/SLR_Catalogue_K20D_GER.pdf Beginning to feel no one reads my posts. :-( Marnie **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread David J Brooks
On Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LOL ... At least two reviews have relegated the Olympus E-3 to being > a "semi-pro" or "advanced amateur" status camera already simply > because it *only* supports 5 fps capture speed. "hey man, if you > haven't got 9, you're a

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Tim Øsleby
AIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost) On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:27, Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of pag

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/23/2008 11:16:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:27, Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?pho

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey, Thanks for capturing those files. Regards, Bob S. On Jan 23, 2008 1:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > > PDF's at bottom of page > > http:/

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/23/2008 11:03:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Check the threads at PentaxForums, it's been mirrored. -Adam === Seems to be the place of the saved (now removed) catalog. In German. http://www.mediafire.com/?dy3y93myqgw Marnie --

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Tim Øsleby
Got both downloaded at my PC. Just give me a off list hint if you want it Tim Typo - Original Message - From: "Timber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almos

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 07:27:55PM +0100, Tim ?sleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > I don't read geman very well I find: > > CMOS sensor > ISO 1

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:27, Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download Ah, it seems that this 'error' has been 'corrected' Anyone have a copy of t

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Doug Brewer
is it male or female? Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > I don't read geman very well I find: > > CMOS sensor > ISO 100-6400 > Same fp

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Wilko Bulte
Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi, who wrote on Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:03:38AM -0800 .. > > On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > > PDF's at bottom of page > > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php? > > p

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
LOL ... At least two reviews have relegated the Olympus E-3 to being a "semi-pro" or "advanced amateur" status camera already simply because it *only* supports 5 fps capture speed. "hey man, if you haven't got 9, you're a wuss." I think reviewers and equipment junkies today are idiots. G O

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread pnstenquist
Sounds good. Time to unload some stuff. Paul -- Original message -- From: Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > More at Steve's with pictures: > http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=585388&forum_id=80 > > .t > > Tim Øsleby wrote: > > A bit premature(?) rele

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:27, Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download Am I blind? I don't see any such thing at that location. -Charles -- Ch

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Timber
More at Steve's with pictures: http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=585388&forum_id=80 .t Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&downlo

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php? > photo&service&download > I don't read geman very well I find: > > CMOS sensor > ISO 100-6400

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
Check the threads at PentaxForums, it's been mirrored. -Adam On 1/23/08, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems they removed it... > > .t > > Tim Øsleby wrote: > > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > > PDF's at bottom of page > > http://www.pentax.de/_de/ph

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Timber
Seems they removed it... .t Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > I don't read geman very well I find: > > CMOS sensor > ISO 100-6400 > Sam

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
So it seems that Pentax has produced a machine gun to compete with, hum, I'm not sure who they're competing with, a movie camera it seems like. There are features I would have preferred to super speedy frame rates. Five frames per second in raw capture would have been more than enough for me,

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
I spoke too soon. Tim Øsleby wrote: > A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor > PDF's at bottom of page > http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download > I don't read geman very well I find: > > CMOS sensor > ISO 100-6400 > Same fps as K1

Re: Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
The bomb: 20fps burst mode. Unfortunately the german pamphlet is somewhat obtuse and either indicates that burst mode is 1.6MP only or that it maxes at 115 frames when 1.6MP is selected but can do lower framecounts at higher resolution. Also the LCD can apparently be profiled, which is why Pentax

Official K20D and K200D (Almost)

2008-01-23 Thread Tim Øsleby
A bit premature(?) release of the manualls from the german distributor PDF's at bottom of page http://www.pentax.de/_de/photo/service/download.php?photo&service&download I don't read geman very well I find: CMOS sensor ISO 100-6400 Same fps as K10 4 EV SR (one step improvement) PC-sync 19 segment