PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread brooksdj
Hi Gang Apologies for 2 pictures in one week. This is a B&W conversion of a shot taken Oct 10, 2005 of the abandoned Maynooth Station. Still needing more experience on this stuff. You can see the remains of the old bed to the right. Converted using Channel Mixer in Monoc

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Looks to me that it could use a bit more contrast. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gang Apologies for 2 pictures in one week. This is a B&W conversion of a shot taken Oct 10, 2005 of the abandoned Maynooth Station. Still needing more experience on this stuff. You can see

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Looks to me that it could use a bit more contrast. Ditto! Boris

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Hello Dave, I like the shot but your tonal rendering is off the mark. I made an adjustment as example. It might not be what you want to see in this photo, but consider it as an example of how to get started. http://homepage.mac.com/godders/DB/ Godfrey On Oct 30, 2005, at 7:50 AM, [EMAIL

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread brooksdj
Thanks Godfrey That looks better.I used the Channel Converter,set the %'s to 25-75-5 as per your starting points. Then i masked the sky and darkened it.I then masked the building and grass and did a curves adj layer(keep in mind i usually dont use layers and this is quite new to me) I then mer

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread brooksdj
I agree. I'm just starting to work with layers and i'm in a coinfused state right now.(as if that needed an expanation) Help is appreciated Dave > Looks to me that it could use a bit more contrast. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > H

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Unless there's something horribly wrong with an image I don't "use" layers. In photoshop I convert to b&w by first optimizing the color image as much as I can. Then I use this method. 1. Create a new adjustment layer "Hue/Saturation" 2a. Set Hue to -180 2b. Set Saturation to +100 2c. Set Lig

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You're missing out on a lot of capability. 1) You first have to define what "optimizing the color image" means in the context of producing a grayscale rendering. An optimized rendering for color presentation is not necessarily the best way to prep for producing a grayscale rendering. 2) C

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Shel Belinkoff
There seems to be something very wrong with the process as you've described it. Apart from anything else, when setting the lightness to minus 100, you'll get a black screen - no info. Care to double check the steps and the process? BTW, I agree with everything that Godfrey said ... Shel "You m

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Try it, it doesn't work the way you think it does. I posted this a while ago: http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_beast.html I just did a conversion using the method I described... http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_beastb&w.html Possibly not the best candidate, but I did n

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
1. Create a new adjustment layer "Hue/Saturation" 2a. Set Hue to -180 2b. Set Saturation to +100 2c. Set Lightness to -100 3. Change Mode to Lab Color, (if asked, yes do discard the layer). 4. In channels delete layer a. 5 Convert to gray scale. Adjust curves or brightness/contrast for fine adjus

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi, I tried it again. Looks to me that you get the same results eliminating the Hue/Sat manipulation and just converting to Lab color and working with the luminosity or lightness channel. It's an OK technique for some conversions, but there are many other B&W conversions that offer far greater c

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/10/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >2c. Set Lightness to -100 I thought the lightness was set to 000 ? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
The easiest method is to simply use PhotoShop's Grayscale conversion, then go to curves and adjust the various grayscale tones as necessary. The grayscale curve gives you pretty much unlimited and very precise control of the tonal range. Paul On Oct 30, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I just tested this technique. I took your Beast.jpg photo and used it as a test. If you do step 3 as stated, you're essentially eliminating what you did in Step 2a,b,c; there's no point to adding the HSV Adjustment Layer. I first followed exactly what you have list

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 31 Oct 2005 at 7:39, Adam Maas wrote: > and would rather like a quick into to a non-destructive method. My > experience with layers is sadly lacking, so I'm not sure where to start > when adapting this method to layers. I just put up my two most used layer based mono actions, basically with

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
If you apply fixed values in the channel mixer, you're doing the same thing photoshop's grayscale conversion does. You're just making it more difficult. The channel mixer is only an advantage if one varies the mix to obtain different results. Paul On Oct 31, 2005, at 7:39 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread frank theriault
On 10/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gang > Apologies for 2 pictures in one week. > > This is a B&W conversion of a shot taken Oct 10, 2005 of the abandoned > Maynooth Station. > Still needing more experience on > this stuff. > You can see the rema

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually it should be, but I typed what was in the archive, with a small error of my own, good thing too or the result would have been exactly what Shel predicted. (I created an action and made the right choice BTY, I should have looked at that). http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdm

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread Adam Maas
I'm not using fixed values, but I use those as my starting point. I'm also getting more than a greyscale conversion (As that's simply luminance with all hue removed, Even the 60/40/0 preserves some of the balance between channels). -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: If you apply fixed values in the

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread Adam Maas
Rob Studdert wrote: I just put up my two most used layer based mono actions, basically with the one labelled mono just open the Hue/saturation layer (second from the top) and alter the Hue control whilst watching the image. The effect is like a continuously variable colour filter, you can't em

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-10-31 Thread pnstenquist
As does the photoshop grayscale conversion. It's just a preset channel's adjustment followed by a conversion. Paul > I'm not using fixed values, but I use those as my starting point. I'm > also getting more than a greyscale conversion (As that's simply > luminance with all hue removed, Even th

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-11-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I like the shot but your tonal rendering is off the mark. I made an adjustment as example. It might not be what you want to see in this photo, but consider it as an example of how to get started. http://homepage.mac.com/godders/DB/ Godfrey, you seem to be more attracted to high key im

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-11-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Godfrey, you seem to be more attracted to high key images than to low key... Neither of the two in question is not high or low key per se, but I noticed in your work general tendency to brighter tones... I find this remarkable! Interesti

Re: PESO:Maynooth Train Station

2005-11-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Godfrey, you seem to be more attracted to high key images than to low key... Neither of the two in question is not high or low key per se, but I noticed in your work general tendency to brighter tones... I find this remarkable! Interesting statement. Can you give me an idea which of