Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-05-04 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/17/2011 21:19, Igor Roshchin wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) Igor, look for the answer within... In our native language we don't say a pair of binoculars but we definitely say a pair of pants... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-05-04 Thread Igor Roshchin
Wed May 4 04:22:22 EDT 2011 Boris Liberman wrote: On 4/17/2011 21:19, Igor Roshchin wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) Igor, look for the answer within... In our native language we don't say a pair of binoculars but we definitely say a pair

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-05-04 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/4/2011 14:32, Igor Roshchin wrote: Boris, I understand what you mean, and I thought about that. I don't say a pair of pants in any language: My guts curl up in the opposite direction every time I hear any of these expressions. :-) Igor My lips are sealed... If only for sake of proper

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-05-04 Thread AlunFoto
Well try a pair of monoculars, then. :-) 2011/5/4 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On 4/17/2011 21:19, Igor Roshchin wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) Igor, look for the answer within... In our native language we don't say a pair of

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-18 Thread Tim Bray
BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English. . . Um, no, it's not. It tries with great energy to span all the Englishes, and doesn't do a bad job. I worked on the OED for some years starting in 1987 and have to shut up right here lest I become boring on the topic. -T -- PDML

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-18 Thread Igor Roshchin
Joseph, Sorry, I don't think I understand you here.. Are you referring to the abbreviations I used? Why? I missed the connection. Igor Igor, did you look up at the same time the definitions of the internet-ese you used in posting this message? The English and my distant relative Webster

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-18 Thread Joseph McAllister
I guess the reason I posted that was the humorous juxtaposition of a discussion of the correct use of one word or words, and the alphabet soup representing the current use of terms online using first letters only of the phrases one wants to convey. An assault on the senses of many who take

Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Igor Roshchin
A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use pair of ... with the nouns which are usually not used in a singular form (at least in the contemporary language), such as pants (pantaloons), trousers, shorts, etc,

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars! Not in English. It may not be accurate, or rational. But it is correct

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Stan Halpin
Similar usage as a pair of pants. The binoculars have two oculars, pants have two legs. stan On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:32 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) But

RE: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) it's a pair of binoculars. My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use pair of ... with the nouns which are usually

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:32 , John Francis wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars! Not in English.

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? No, that would be a couple of pairs of binoculars. I am personally holding out for multiple binoculi. ;-) On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars! (Binocular is a pair of monoculars or telescopes.) You are correct, and this usage is observed by professionals in the field. For example, on Zeiss's

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Igor Roshchin
To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?) A pair of binoculars - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? ;-) My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use pair of ... with the nouns which are usually not used

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread Joseph McAllister
Igor, did you look up at the same time the definitions of the internet-ese you used in posting this message? The English and my distant relative Webster would be beside themselves. :-) On Apr 17, 2011, at 19:59 , Igor Roshchin wrote: [See the most interesting for PDML finging on this

Re: Pair of binoculars (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

2011-04-17 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:59:10PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote: BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English. . . Well, of course it is. But who else are you going to accept as the authority on the language? An anectode I fondly remember from my past: At one of the Cambridge Union