Dear list
Does DL have special/new RAW-file formats. My Phase One LE won't rede the
RAW-files
Regards
Bladt
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
+45 56 63 77 11
+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248
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Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Steve
Jolly
The files may be different enough that your program won't recognize them.
Check with Phase One to see what cameras your version supports. You may
need to upgrade or update the program.
This is quite a common situation. Adobe, for example, frequently updates
their camera raw file to take into
Jens Bladt wrote:
Dear list
Does DL have special/new RAW-file formats. My Phase One LE won't rede the
RAW-files
Regards
Bladt
They are exactly the same, except for the camera identifier :-).
Capture One, et al will read them now, but you need the latest version,
which is a free download.
One of the Tags embedded in the file is different specifying the camera
model, otherwise I believe that they are Identical to the DS files.
Knowing that won't help your software read them however.
Jens Bladt wrote:
Dear list
Does DL have special/new RAW-file formats. My Phase One LE won't
The Camera model tag differs for the DL, thus Capture One LE won't read
it. You'll need an updated version.
-Adam
Jens Bladt wrote:
Dear list
Does DL have special/new RAW-file formats. My Phase One LE won't rede the
RAW-files
Regards
Bladt
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
+45 56 63
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Dear list
Does DL have special/new RAW-file formats. My Phase One LE won't rede the
RAW-files
Regards
Bladt
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
+45 56 63 77 11
+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248
-Oprindelig meddelelse
Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 23:27
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
On 2/6/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
All the other countries should just adopt the UK constitution, and
leave it at that. It's much simpler.
LOL. Classic
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Jim Apilado wrote:
I'm headed for Greece in a couple of weeks. If they use the Euro, I hope
it comes down in value against the greenback.
They do, and your lettuce-leaves are the ones in the down. But the
place is not quite UK (don't bother looking for photo equipment
Ronald Arvidsson wrote:
Hmm, I often present myself as Scandinavian abroad since many more
people in certain parts would rather know that then one of the
specific countries. I guess also the EU maps showing some countries
and others not show the same ignorance of geography as Europeans
Has anyone here used 70mm Type II Perf film? Anyone know where I can get
canisters (for 15 ft).
Regards,
Bob...
-
The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose
as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers
with the
P. J. Alling wrote:
I don't think anyone actually read the new EU constitution, it's the
size of the New York phone book.
One of the reasons I would automatically vote against it, given the
option. I've not been given the option. It's important enough for
everyone to be bound by law to
are called digital revolution.
Cheers,
Ronald
Re: Pentax *ist-DL
P. J. Alling
Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:52:47 -0700
That's very strange, did the entire country of Sweden just disappear,
I can't seem to get
to that web site.
End of pentax-discuss-d
Luckily the French and the Dutch have relieved me of the burden of having to
read the constitution before deciding which way to vote. I'm instinctively
pro-European, but I was feeling inclined to vote against it just for being
so long.
All the other countries should just adopt the UK
On 2/6/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
All the other countries should just adopt the UK constitution, and leave it
at that. It's much simpler.
LOL. Classic. You a script writer for Ricky Gervais?
What worries me more is the Euro. Everyone complains that it was a great
excuse to hike
On 2/6/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
Alternatively, we could cherry-pick different bits from different countries:
Italian economic policy
British social policy
Turkish human rights policy
French foreign policy
Swedish tax policy
Keep going lad, you're on a roll!
Cheers,
Cotty
I'm headed for Greece in a couple of weeks. If they use the Euro, I hope
it comes down in value against the greenback.
Jim A.
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:25:02 +0100
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Pentax *ist-DL
Just a hypothetical question:
If you did NOT own any Pentax or k-mount lenses, why would you choose this
body over the Nikon D50 or Canon 350D (RebelXT)? (price being equal or
near-enough; I believe the D50 is supposed to be much less than the 350D,
but let's ignore that right now)
Christian
Bob W wrote:
Luckily the French and the Dutch have relieved me of the burden of having to
read the constitution before deciding which way to vote. I'm instinctively
pro-European, but I was feeling inclined to vote against it just for being
so long.
All the other countries should just adopt
I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone found this on the swedish
pentax site.
It looks like another entry level model, targeted even lower than the DS.
http://www.pentax.se/index.asp?url=http://www.pentax.se/default.asp?cat_id=491
6.1mpix, 2.8 frames/sec, 2.5 lcd, SD, PentaMIRROR,
Henri Toivonen wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone found this on the
swedish pentax site.
It looks like another entry level model, targeted even lower than the DS.
http://www.pentax.se/index.asp?url=http://www.pentax.se/default.asp?cat_id=491
6.1mpix, 2.8 frames/sec, 2.5
Henri,
That link doesn't seem to work. Neither of them, actually.
Cory
- Original Message -
From: Henri Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
Henri Toivonen wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere else
http://81.92.66.63/index.asp?url=http://81.92.66.63/default.asp?cat_id=491
here is the correct link... DNS servers seem not to work
- Original Message -
From: Henri Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Pentax *ist-DL
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:33:
http://81.92.66.63/index.asp?url=http://81.92.66.63/default.asp?cat_id=491
here is the correct link... DNS servers seem not to work
Thanks David for IP :-)
For me it seems to be just silver version of *istDs and nothing more...
--
Balance is the ultimate
*ist-DL
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:33:
http://81.92.66.63/index.asp?url=http://81.92.66.63/default.asp?cat_id=491
here is the correct link... DNS servers seem not to work
Thanks David for IP :-)
For me it seems to be just silver version of *istDs and nothing more...
--
Balance
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:33:
http://81.92.66.63/index.asp?url=http://81.92.66.63/default.asp?cat_id=491
here is the correct link... DNS servers seem not to work
Thanks David for IP :-)
For me it seems to be just silver version of
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
I don't think the s had pentamirror, but I may be wrong.
The DS has a pentaprism. However, according to the technical specs
linked from that webpage*, so does the *istDL...
S
*assuming my attempts to interpret Swedish don't mislead me - I'm
assuming prism
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:52:
Well, it is downgraded with the AF points at least...
Is there anything in this text about AF system? Sorry, I don't understand
Swedish so I couldn't find this info :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 01.06.05 12:56:
I don't think the s had pentamirror, but I may be wrong.
Does pentaprismasökare mean pentamirror? Who speaks Swedish here?
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
It means penta prism viewfinder.
Paul Eriksson
-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skickat: den 1 juni 2005 13:15
Till: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Ämne: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 01.06.05 12:56:
I don't think the s had
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 01.06.05 12:56:
I don't think the s had pentamirror, but I may be wrong.
Does pentaprismasökare mean pentamirror? Who speaks Swedish here?
I think that's what Henri (the OP) suggested. I think his surname is
Finnish
Eriksson Paulus wrote on 01.06.05 13:16:
It means penta prism viewfinder.
Thanks Paul!!! So aparrently this is not pentamirror as some suggested :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 01.06.05 13:19:
I think that's what Henri (the OP) suggested. I think his surname is
Finnish :-)
http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg253937.html
I think Paul knows better as he comes from polypeptide.SE ;-)
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does pentaprismasökare mean pentamirror? Who speaks Swedish here?
It means pentaprism viewfinder.
-tih
--
Don't ascribe to stupidity what can be adequately explained by ignorance.
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote on 01.06.05 13:31:
It means pentaprism viewfinder.
Thanks Tom :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
And the price is... Regards, Bob S.
On 6/1/05, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote on 01.06.05 13:31:
It means pentaprism viewfinder.
Thanks Tom :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
01, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:52:
Well, it is downgraded with the AF points at least...
Is there anything in this text about AF system? Sorry, I don't understand
Swedish so I couldn't find this info :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best
01, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Pentax *ist-DL
I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone found this on the swedish
pentax site.
It looks like another entry level model, targeted even lower than the DS.
http://www.pentax.se/index.asp?url=http://www.pentax.se/default.asp?cat_id=491
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Jostein wrote:
Looks like an info leak. :-)
I was looking for the 1 April date, but it was nowhere to be seen
:-)
Kostas
eller spotmätning.
Meaning 3 point or spot autofocus...
- Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:52:
Well, it is downgraded
Looks like web preparation in advance of a new product announcement got indexed
though it is not directly linked to.
Shame on the web admin!
Sincerely,
Collin
Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Toralf Lund wrote on 01.06.05 14:16:
Meaning 3 point or spot autofocus...
So it seems Pentax was left with a stock of used in MZ-5N/6 Safox IV
circuits...
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 01.06.05 13:19:
I think that's what Henri (the OP) suggested. I think his surname is
Finnish :-)
http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg253937.html
I think Paul knows better as he comes from polypeptide.SE ;-)
Steve Jolly wrote:
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
I don't think the s had pentamirror, but I may be wrong.
The DS has a pentaprism. However, according to the technical specs
linked from that webpage*, so does the *istDL...
S
*assuming my attempts to interpret Swedish don't mislead me -
Eriksson Paulus wrote on 01.06.05 13:16:
It means penta prism viewfinder.
Thanks Paul!!! So aparrently this is not pentamirror as some
suggested :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
Excepet that in the 'Tekniska Specifikationer' it states:
Prisma med pentaspeglar med
Michael Bergstrom wrote:
Eriksson Paulus wrote on 01.06.05 13:16:
It means penta prism viewfinder.
Thanks Paul!!! So aparrently this is not pentamirror as some
suggested :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
Excepet that in the 'Tekniska
Michael Bergstrom wrote:
Eriksson Paulus wrote on 01.06.05 13:16:
It means penta prism viewfinder.
Thanks Paul!!! So aparrently this is not pentamirror as some
suggested :-)
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
Excepet that in the 'Tekniska Specifikationer' it states:
Prisma
: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
The L looks like yet another attempt to compete for entry level
customers
coming from digital compacts.
What's odd, though, is that there are no other pages at the Swedish Pentax
site
pointing to this particular page. No press, no news, no product spec...
Looks like
That's very strange, did the entire country of Sweden just disappear, I
can't seem to get
to that web site.
Henri Toivonen wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone found this on the
swedish pentax site.
It looks like another entry level model, targeted even lower than the DS.
Nope still doesn't work. Not even when typed into the navigation bar,
(or accessed from the www.pentax.com website).
Henri Toivonen wrote:
Henri Toivonen wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone found this on the
swedish pentax site.
It looks like another entry level model,
On 1/6/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--
*ist_Dl/
HEHEHEHE
silly pentax... posting pages before product releases
Price *under* $800 US.
So after a few months, maybe $649 on the street? Less?
Cheers,
Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Pentax *ist-DL
I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone found this on the
swedish pentax site.
It looks like another entry level model, targeted even lower than the
DS.
http
That's the problem with not being able to read Swedish. Pentax is
differentiating down market from the middle.
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
David Sládek wrote on 01.06.05 12:33:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Toralf Lund wrote on 01.06.05 14:16:
Meaning 3 point or spot autofocus...
So it seems Pentax was left with a stock of used in MZ-5N/6 Safox IV
circuits...
This is billed as Safox VIII.
Kostas
Old hardware, new software??? Though since it's a different camera
design, maybe new hardware old software...
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Toralf Lund wrote on 01.06.05 14:16:
Meaning 3 point or spot autofocus...
So it seems
*ist-DL on USA website!
Christian wrote:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_Dl/
HEHEHEHE
silly pentax... posting pages before product releases
I'm hitting refresh occasionally and watching them add stuff - the
specifications page was blank
Developing a webpage on a live website, Amateurs.
Steve Jolly wrote:
Christian wrote:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_Dl/
HEHEHEHE
silly pentax... posting pages before product releases
I'm hitting refresh occasionally and watching them
Hence, along the crippled KAF mount, now we also have a crippled SAFOX VIII.
It's great to be in Pentaxdom :-(
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
P. J. Alling wrote:
Old hardware, new software??? Though since it's a different camera
design, maybe new hardware old software...
I'm not sure it's a *very* different camera design... other than a
bigger LCD on the back and slightly different viewfinder optics (the
pentamirror), I don't see
if you didn't found this yet:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_Dl/
Alex Sarbu
Christian wrote:
Just so it is clear now, Penta mirror is confirmed:
Optical Viewfinder - Penta mirror with Natural-Bright-Matte II focusing
screen
Same size as the *istDS; 1.2oz lighter (mostly due to the pentamirror,
presumably...)
*with* DOF preview.
From the detailed specs, I can only
At least in the US it comes in black... (Does that make it Professional).
Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
if you didn't found this yet:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_Dl/
Alex Sarbu
--
A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Hence, along the crippled KAF mount, now we also have a crippled SAFOX
VIII.
It's great to be in Pentaxdom :-(
They're not phasing out the *istDS, you know.
Personally I find 11 AF points to be overkill. But then again, I only
have one AF lens... ;-)
S
:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL on USA website!
Christian wrote:
Just so it is clear now, Penta mirror is confirmed:
Optical Viewfinder - Penta mirror with Natural-Bright-Matte II focusing
screen
Same size as the *istDS; 1.2oz lighter (mostly due to the pentamirror,
presumably
Steve Jollywrote:
Although they do claim
an auto ISO mode. Dunno if that's just the low-light ISO boost that
the DS offers via a custom function or not.
Auto ISO setting is just a different way for doing the same as above.
Dario
It comes with a lens!!! DA 18-55mm Lens.
Pentax is so smart. This well sell great. Its a good entry level camera to
get new users to buy into the Pentax brand.
Derek
Christian wrote:
Just so it is clear now, Penta mirror is confirmed:
Optical Viewfinder - Penta mirror with
Dario wrote:
I'm not argumenting the choice of 3-segment AF here. That can be fine.
I only ask why the hell they have to mess-up things that way. Whay don't
they call the damn thing SAFOX IV, SAFOXIX (ah, ah), SAFOX L, or SAFOX
WHATEVER? Why SAFOX VIII (which is another thing)?
Maybe it is
On dpreview it says 8. Highaccuracy AF sensorsFeaturing the advanced SAFOX
VIII AF system incorporating threecross-type wide-area AF sensors, the *istDL
automatically selects themost appropriate sensor for a given subject. It also
lets the user fixthe sensor point on the middle sensor for
Now on dpreview as well...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05060104pentaxistdl.asp
Alex Sarbu
- Original Message -
From: Village Idiot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL on USA website!
It comes with a lens!!! DA 18-55mm Lens.
Pentax is so smart. This well sell great. Its a good entry level camera
Sorry, but I don't understand all the angst. This is a cutback DS
allowing them to compete with stuff like the Nikon D50. It's not like
they had to invest millions to redesign the thing. Also, it could very
well be SAFOX VIII (the first version to use a cross sensor) but with
fewer sensors.
Using the menu screen, the user can select the preferred focus mode
betweenSingle AF, which locks the focus when the shutter release button is
half-depressed, and Continuous AF,* which adjusts the focus to the
subject's movement.* This focus mode is available in the Auto Picture and
Picture
I've never found a use for more than one focus point.
John
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:30:21 +0100, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Hence, along the crippled KAF mount, now we also have a crippled SAFOX
VIII.
It's great to be in Pentaxdom :-(
They're not phasing out
Uh... I actually didn't read that. You're right ... :(
But I think the Action mode must be selected, like with DS.
Alex Sarbu (embarrased)
On 6/1/05, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Using the menu screen, the user can select the preferred focus mode
betweenSingle AF, which locks the
; I believe the D50 is supposed to be much less than the 350D,
but let's ignore that right now)
Christian
- Original Message -
From: Village Idiot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL on USA website
less than the 350D,
but let's ignore that right now)
Christian
- Original Message -
From: Village Idiot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL on USA website!
It comes with a lens!!! DA 18-55mm Lens
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:58:31PM +0100, Cotty wrote:
On 1/6/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--
*ist_Dl/
HEHEHEHE
silly pentax... posting pages before product releases
Price *under* $800 US.
So
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
I've never found a use for more than one focus point.
John
I have. It's the primary motivator for my upgrade from the
PZ-1p to the MZ-S, and it was a significant factor in my
going to a *ist-D. It's also why I'm looking to find some
real AF glass, rather than A* lenses with the 1.7x adapter
(which only lets me use the central AF point).
But I'm not a
Hi,
Sweden been in place since about 1100-1200 AD when it was consolidated,
and its still there. Haven't seen any temporary time-space shutdowns -
either.
Problems though are called digital revolution.
Cheers,
Ronald
Re: Pentax *ist-DL
P. J. Alling
Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:52:47 -0700
That's
Is it already listed on the Amazon site?
$600 body only? But it comes with a lens - there's no body only option,
at least not yet.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: John Francis
Less. It's under $800, with the kit lens, at Amazon.
I expect this to end up around $600 (body only), street
-enough; I believe the D50 is supposed to be much less than the
350D,
but let's ignore that right now)
Christian
- Original Message -
From: Village Idiot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL on USA website
about 1100-1200 AD when it was
consolidated, and its still there. Haven't seen any temporary
time-space shutdowns - either.
Problems though are called digital revolution.
Cheers,
Ronald
Re: Pentax *ist-DL
P. J. Alling
Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:52:47 -0700
That's very strange, did the entire country
On 1/6/05, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
It´s only fair, since the EU often print maps of Europe without Norway.
After the Netherlands votes no, the EU can print maps with no countries
on it at all!
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|
Cotty wrote:
On 1/6/05, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
It´s only fair, since the EU often print maps of Europe without Norway.
I'm tempted to say, You're kidding, right?!
keith whaley
After the Netherlands votes no, the EU can print maps with no countries
on it at all!
Cheers,
- Original Message -
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After the Netherlands votes no, the EU can print maps with no
countries
on it at all!
LOL.
I bet the new constitution has been promoted by the Pentax advertising
department.
Jostein
, 2005 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
Cotty wrote:
On 1/6/05, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
It´s only fair, since the EU often print maps of Europe without
Norway.
I'm tempted to say, You're kidding, right?!
keith whaley
After the Netherlands votes no, the EU can print maps
I don't think anyone actually read the new EU constitution, it's the
size of the New York phone book. Citizens of the US can carry their
entire constitution and all amendments to it in a small pamphlet,
Canadians, though their constitution is a bit more complicated, can at
least carry the
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Christian wrote:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_Dl/
HEHEHEHE
silly pentax... posting pages before product releases
Nah, just getting ready.
Kostas
Right, but EU constitution is different than a country constitution
and does not replace it.
As most European country likely have stupidely complicated consitution
it is just not surprising the EU consitution is itself complicated.
2005/6/1, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I don't think anyone
They printed one without Wales last year. Everything looked so much tidier.
So ... harmonised.
--
Yakky Da!
Bob
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 19:34
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Pentax *ist-DL
On 1/6/05, DagT, discombobulated
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