From: Doug Franklin
On 2010-02-02 21:10, John Sessoms wrote:
> I've disagreed with bosses before. If they're wrong, they're wrong.
>
> And I've done my share of following the bosses orders even when I knew
> they were wrong.
I've always dealt with it the way the US military often does: when
On 2010-02-02 21:10, John Sessoms wrote:
I've disagreed with bosses before. If they're wrong, they're wrong.
And I've done my share of following the bosses orders even when I knew
they were wrong.
I've always dealt with it the way the US military often does: when the
boss is planning, and a
I've found they forget pretty quick (usually), there's always someone
who doesn't accept the negative light even when it's their doing... I
make it a point never to say I told you so. I just calmly outline the
fix, estimate the time it will take, and proceed when given the green
light.
It often m
From: Leon Altoff
John,
You make the points I was wanting to make, thanks for saving me the effort.
I would point out that even if it is your boss tha is making the
suggestion you can still argue with it (I have several times and often
win the discussion). The boss always has the option to say
John,
You make the points I was wanting to make, thanks for saving me the effort.
I would point out that even if it is your boss tha is making the
suggestion you can still argue with it (I have several times and often
win the discussion). The boss always has the option to say "Do it
anyway.", bu
From: Boris Liberman
Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
rather harsh language. Here is an example.
I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so" and
according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted specifically as an
order, not as a suggestion o
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Thomas Bohn wrote:
> Moin,
>
> One of my English teachers in school warned us about the usage of the
> word "Sir", because as non-native speakers we could hit the wrong tone
> w/o even knowing it.
>
> And now I just have to bring in the future EU energy commissione
2010/2/1 Bob W :
> At least he's not trying to sing the Welsh national anthem:
But he will be the next EU energy comissioner, and has no clue about
energy policy or the English language.
What anthems concerns, I can't sing mine either. I always forget the
lyrics. So what?
Thomas
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On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 08:54:03AM -0500, Tom C scripsit:
[snip]
> When one specifically states that something is a suggestion, I don't
> know how it can be interpreted otherwise unless it is almost
> deliberately misinterpreted. Words are chosen, usually with the intent
> of accurately expressing
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- Original Message -
From: "Rob Studdert"
Subject: Re: Question of English, American and otherwise
On 01/02/2010, Boris Liberman wrote:
Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
rather hars
On 1/2/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so" and
>according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted specifically as an
>order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among
>several possible courses of action. My
> Moin,
>
> One of my English teachers in school warned us about the
> usage of the word "Sir", because as non-native speakers we
> could hit the wrong tone w/o even knowing it.
>
> And now I just have to bring in the future EU energy
> commissioner Günther Öttinger and his attempt to speak
>
I wouldn't be too hard on him, he's a bureaucrat, he's probably
unintelligible in German as well...
On 2/1/2010 11:13 AM, Thomas Bohn wrote:
Moin,
One of my English teachers in school warned us about the usage of the
word "Sir", because as non-native speakers we could hit the wrong tone
w/o e
Antennae? I always thought you were and earthly alien.
On 2/1/2010 3:46 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
It's the curse of not being native English speakers. It _can_ be a
source of misunderstandings, but in general I believe both brits and
americans are more forgiving than your boss would have you think.
E
Moin,
One of my English teachers in school warned us about the usage of the
word "Sir", because as non-native speakers we could hit the wrong tone
w/o even knowing it.
And now I just have to bring in the future EU energy commissioner
Günther Öttinger and his attempt to speak English in public:
h
What are you suggesting Bob? :-)
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Boris,
> I think you have ventured into the tricky landscape of selling your
> ideas to people.
> I suspect Tom C. is very right about what 'tone' and manner you used.
> 'I suggest' is pretty direct language f
Boris,
I think you have ventured into the tricky landscape of selling your
ideas to people.
I suspect Tom C. is very right about what 'tone' and manner you used.
'I suggest' is pretty direct language from a vendor to a client.
'You might want to think about doing something like this...' or
'One way
Thanks everyone who replied. The issue is much clearer to me now!
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Boris,
If I had said exactly what you said, I would feel exactly as you feel.
When one specifically states that something is a suggestion, I don't
know how it can be interpreted otherwise unless it is almost
deliberately misinterpreted. Words are chosen, usually with the intent
of accurately expr
On 2010-02-01 3:05, Boris Liberman wrote:
I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so" and
according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted specifically as an
order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of one option among
several possible courses of action.
1. Is indeed thi
2010/2/1 Bob W :
>>
>> To me, smalltalk is where intonation suddenly conveys strange
>> and unfathomable things.OTOH, that could speak more about the
>> shortness of my social antennae than anything else, I guess. :-)
>>
>> Jostein
>
> It's been the sole topic of conversation here since your last v
Boris Liberman wrote:
> Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
> rather harsh language. Here is an example.
>
> I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so" and
> according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted specifically as an
> order, not
>
> To me, smalltalk is where intonation suddenly conveys strange
> and unfathomable things.OTOH, that could speak more about the
> shortness of my social antennae than anything else, I guess. :-)
>
> Jostein
It's been the sole topic of conversation here since your last visit...
Bob
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> Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out
> that I spoke rather harsh language. Here is an example.
>
> I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so"
> and according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted
> specifically as an order, not as a suggestion or as an
what rob said
just relax, you're probably just fine
cheers
ecke
2010/2/1 Rob Studdert :
> On 01/02/2010, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
>> rather harsh language. Here is an example.
>>
>> I would say something like "I suggest that w
It's the curse of not being native English speakers. It _can_ be a
source of misunderstandings, but in general I believe both brits and
americans are more forgiving than your boss would have you think.
Especially about business/science/problem-solving/etc. topics. That's
my experience anyway.
To m
On 01/02/2010, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
> rather harsh language. Here is an example.
>
> I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so" and
> according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted specifically as an
> ord
Having returned from the trip to USA, my boss pointed out that I spoke
rather harsh language. Here is an example.
I would say something like "I suggest that we do so and so" and
according to my boss "I suggest" was interpreted specifically as an
order, not as a suggestion or as an indication of on
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