Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-30 Thread Th. Stach
Hello, sealing or not - I've always been quite happy with the Pentax way, because the cost of screens mostly has been about 1/2 to 1/3 compared to Nikon. Also, I've done a lot of work with the F4, and I would not say it's easier there to change screens, just different! (Or the other way round: It

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-30 Thread whickersworld
mishka wrote: > > don't know about f4, but f3 is not sealed, afaik. > there's a good reason why lx has a lens between the screen anf the > finder. i suspect it's a lot more difficult > to make interchangeable screens f3-style, that would also keep the > camera sealed. Mishka, The F4 has better s

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-29 Thread whickersworld
Pål Jensen wrote: > >John wrote: >> >>This so-called "enormous cost" is an illusion put >>about by people who think they cannot afford >>Leica. > > >Illusion? The back alone cost $4500 at a time >when similarly specced digital solution will >likely cost $1000 or less. Pål, Quoting a projected pr

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The biggest problem with electronics and cameras is moisture. At some point in the production live of the F3, Nikon went to conformal coating for the circuit boards. This seals the electronics better than sealing the body. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know about f4, but f3 is not sealed,

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-29 Thread mishka
d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) mishka wrote: you want it sealed against element , have interchangeable finders, interchangeable screens and have easy access to insides? Of course! My Nikon F3 and F4 both did, so wh

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-29 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: Just like the *ist D's only function is to convince potential customers to buy into the Pentax FA* system because there's a digital future there too? REPLY: No. The MD-S was. The *ist D will be released in a months time. The R9 digital back will be *shown* in 1,5 years time. The ba

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-29 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: This so-called "enormous cost" is an illusion put about by people who think they cannot afford Leica. REPLY: Illusion? The back alone cost $4500 at a time when similarly specced digital solution will likely cost $1000 or less. On thing is the case for expensive Leica lenses and b

Digital backs (WAS: Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.))

2003-06-29 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: It is quite clear that the Leica R8 and R9 were designed from the ground up to be BOTH film AND digital cameras. This back is not some half-baked add-on accessory, it is an intrinsic part of the Leica R8/R9 system. REPLY: It was designed in the mid 90's where it might have bee

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-29 Thread whickersworld
Graywolf wrote: > > The problem with interchangeable backs on 35mm cameras is not patents, but > technology. It is simply that digital sensors have not been on the surface > of the chip but buried behind a protective surface and then maybe an > antialiasing filter over that. > > What does that mean

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-29 Thread whickersworld
Marnie aka Doe wrote: > > Yes, that's quite different. And agreed. Thanks! John

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-29 Thread whickersworld
mishka wrote: > > you want it sealed against element , have interchangeable finders, > interchangeable screens and have easy access to insides? Of course! My Nikon F3 and F4 both did, so why so you suggest it is not reasonable to expect that of the Pentax? In fact, the LX does well in all resp

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread T Rittenhouse
The problem with interchangeable backs on 35mm cameras is not patents, but technology. It is simply that digital sensors have not been on the surface of the chip but buried behind a protective surface and then maybe an antialiasing filter over that. What does that mean? Well, look into the back of

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread Herb Chong
i think that defines a submarine pretty well. Herb - Original Message - From: "mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 21:37 Subject: Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) > you wa

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread mishka
you want it sealed against element , have interchangeable finders, interchangeable screens and have easy access to insides? mishka Not with the LX, you still have to change screens through the lens mount throat. Uh Oh. Bad news. :-(

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 29 Jun 2003 at 0:32, whickersworld wrote: > The "Silicon Film" concept was excellent, > and generated tremendous interest, but > that company never found a partner who > could make it work. I believe that the spin generated about it caused much interest but the concept was flawed and was not

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/28/2003 6:21:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi Marnie, > > It is quite clear that the Leica R8 and R9 > were designed from the ground up to be > BOTH film AND digital cameras. This back > is not some half-baked add-on accessory, > it is an intr

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-28 Thread whickersworld
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > > Canon & Nikon provide Professional Service > plans for free for qualifying (i.e. pro) > photographers. It doesn't help amateurs. Bruce, The Nikon Professional Service in the UK is a joke. I cannot speak about any other country, but here NPS is almost a byword f

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-28 Thread whickersworld
Alin Flaider wrote: > >Very likely the camera won't keep up with the digital back. >Supposing the number of megapixel increases, so it should the >processing power in the camera itself to deal with the increased >and faster output of the digital back. I doubt very much that there

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread whickersworld
Marnie aka Doe wrote: > >Any camera designed from the ground up >to be digital will be a much bettter >digital camera than a film camera with a >digital back. Hi Marnie, It is quite clear that the Leica R8 and R9 were designed from the ground up to be BOTH film AND digital cameras. This b

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread whickersworld
Pål Jensen wrote: > >This was not about dissing Leica but about >the concept of a digital back for an old >camera model. The R9 is a *brand new* model, unless of course one of your many talents is time travel. >I would not, though, spend about 55 post >on it on the Leica list. Neither would I

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread whickersworld
Peter Alling wrote: > > Not on the LX unfortunatly. Thanks. (FX: sound of quiet sobbing ...)

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread whickersworld
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > > Not with the LX, you still have to change screens > through the lens mount throat. Uh Oh. Bad news. :-( >(With the Nikon F cameras, after the finder is >removed then the screen can be lifted out. No >need to play dentist.) Same with the F2, F3 and F4. I somet

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread Peter Alling
Not really, most DSLR's today are based on Film SLR bodies. It doesn't take much to tell the Digital part of the camera that it should be prepared to capture an image. It even makes sense to protect the digital sensor with a shutter curtain. Especially if the camera has interchangeable lenses

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/28/2003 7:47:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > REPLY: > > Really? One post or was it two? This was not about dissing Leica but about the > concept of a digital back for an old camera model. It wouldn't matter if it had been > for a old Nikon, Sigma o

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Juey Chong Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Peter Alling wrote: > >> I've never seen a ruggedized Mac, > >http://online.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.Tempest.Mac.html >http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57961,00.html >http://digitaltigers.com/flyingtiger.shtml >http://www.

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-28 Thread Pål Jensen
Lukasz wrote: It's one thing to critisize something, and the other to repeatedly moan about how a certain company should do this or that while having no intention to buy the supposedly "better" product. REPLY: It would have been weird if I moaned repeatedly on the Leica mailing list. Like 67 p

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Tempest approved computers weren't rugged in the sense of being able to be subjected to extremes of shock, vibration and temperature. They were designed for very low EMI radiation and used for working on classified material. They were very expensive and for classified computing it was cheaper,

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Peter Alling wrote: I've never seen a ruggedized Mac, http://online.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.Tempest.Mac.html http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57961,00.html http://digitaltigers.com/flyingtiger.shtml http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,51670,00.html

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Alan Chan
It depends were they bought used, (after all used lenses are cheap didn't you know that)? ;-> But then digital cameras/backs weren't developed with "used-lenses" users in mind. :-) regards, Alan Chan _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Herb Chong
when minimally ruggedized. i vaguely remember a place that would do it for any computer if you are willing to pay. Herb. - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 18:23 Subje

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I've never seen a ruggedized Mac, but I have seen PC's set up to Mil. Spec. >They're supposed to be emp proof. Don't know about EMP proof but they're pretty rugged. We used to sell systems built around them at my last place of employment. MIL-spec stuff. H

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Peter Alling
I've never seen a ruggedized Mac, but I have seen PC's set up to Mil. Spec. They're supposed to be emp proof. At 11:23 PM 6/27/03 +0100, you wrote: >apparently, he took a stock Mac Powerbook too and not a ruggedized one. Aha (he chimed in) Herb, and what exactly would a ruggedized Mac PowerBook en

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Cotty
>apparently, he took a stock Mac Powerbook too and not a ruggedized one. Aha (he chimed in) Herb, and what exactly would a ruggedized Mac PowerBook entail exactly? Just curious, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Peter Alling
y may be the least of the total > investment - I mean if you have like 10.000$ woth of lenses etc. matching > this body and mount? > Jens > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 26. juni 2003 15:18 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] &

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The problem for photographers is that they are in a very competitive field. They are always afraid that the next shooter will be able to offer something that they can't. For news it timeliness and visual impact (color). It would be much easier to shoot color film and send it back to where ever

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >With Lcica, $10,000 worth of lenses isn't all that many lenses... HAR! (Two or three, perhaps?) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread frank theriault
ns > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 26. juni 2003 15:18 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Emne: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back > > buy a better back ($4500) without having to change your SLR ($1000)? > is it me or does it

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Herb Chong
. - Original Message - From: "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 17:11 Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back > There was Charlie Rose show (PBS) a few weeks ago with 4 or 5 > photographers who were in Iraq. At

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Herb Chong
the guy in the article didn't, and he had a Mac Powerbook along too. Herb - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 16:56 Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back > Although almost

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
There was Charlie Rose show (PBS) a few weeks ago with 4 or 5 photographers who were in Iraq. At one point the discussion got onto equipment and they all shot digital and multiple digital backups. At this point they are as familiar with the durability of the digital gear as they were with film

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Although almost all the photos to come out of the war in Iraq were probably digital, I wonder how many photographers had (mechanical) film cameras in their bags as backups. There was a lot of talk about the possible use of high energy EMP bombs that would destroy sensitive electronic equipment. We

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Herb Chong
the July issue of Pop Photo has an article from a warzone photographer that shot only digital. Herb. - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 15:11 Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back &g

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Herb Chong
according to the Photo Marketing Association, SLR sales held steady, total film camera sales dropped 31%, and compact digital camera sales were up by 25%. people who buy Leica's or medium format and larger represent such a miniscule portion of the market that what they do or don't do is nearly i

RE: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Jens Bladt
ECTED] Emne: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back buy a better back ($4500) without having to change your SLR ($1000)? is it me or does it sound like "buy a better camera without having to change neck-strap"? mishka > From: "whickersworld" > Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital bac

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-27 Thread Alin Flaider
whickersworld wrote: w> The bit you replace each year is the digital bit, which w> will - for the foreseeable future - will always be twice w> as good as last year's model. Very likely the camera won't keep up with the digital back. Supposing the number of megapixel increases, so it should

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-27 Thread Peter Alling
Not on the LX unfortunatly. At 12:05 PM 6/27/03 +0100, you wrote: Alan Chan wrote: > > Just wondering, if F5 was supposed to be a press camera. What is the > importance of interchangable finders? I mean, the job of press photographers > is to point and shoot fast. Or is there any other application

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27 Jun 2003 at 9:57, Th. Stach wrote: > ARGGHH!! > Shocking! Looks even bulkier than the SL was. > Is there a modderdriver attached to the R8? > Or is this a battery attachment? Yes it has the battery attachment on the base, no motor, it just supplies shutter/metering, with the motor it is ab

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-27 Thread Th. Stach
Rob wrote: > This digital back shows just why it's not a practical solution, did you see how > far out the LCD sticks, you need an eye extension to get close to the finder. Hehe, the LX finder-base would easily compensate for it. FD-1 with eyepiece FC-1. 45° - very convenient! ;-) ***I wanted to

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-27 Thread Th. Stach
Rob wrote: > This digital back shows just why it's not a practical solution, did you see how > far out the LCD sticks, you need an eye extension to get close to the finder. Hehe, the LX finder-base would easily compensate for it. FD-1 with eyepiece FC-1. 45° - very convenient! ;-) > Also there

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread T Rittenhouse
://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: RE: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > Pro or not > I've more than once heard photographers say, tha

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread mishka
Action finder on LX (I suppose there's a similar one for F5) is just for that. Mishka From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) >How about the Nikon F5 and in MF... just about all of them? Just wondering

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > Pro or not > I've more than once heard photographers say, that a pro camera, is a camera > (or any photographic equipment), that you can have reapired within a few > days. Some (repair)sh

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > William wrote: > > The MZ-S, as well constructed as it is, is not backed by a system, and > doesn't have a lot of what are now considered Pro features. > > REPLY: > Pentax never

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Joshua Hakin Subject: Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) > How many systems today have interchangeable viewfinders? One in 35mm (Nikon f5), many of the medium format systems. William Robb

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-26 Thread Paul
The R8's seem to be under $1000us new on ebay. > Perhaps you will tell me where I can buy a new Leica > R9 budy for $1000? At that price, I would probably > buy a few hundred and sell them at a profit ... > > ;-) > >

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Doug, Me too. I am very happy with both my 35mm gear and my medium format. Bruce Thursday, June 26, 2003, 1:54:44 PM, you wrote: DB> Not unfortunate at all. I'm comfortable and satisfied with my choice of DB> camera gear. Makes photography less stressful, being fine with the equipment. D

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-26 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
This was true for the 10 year period of 1987 - 1997, but there's been almost no advance in the last 3 years. Maybe some catching up by Pentax, but Canon and Nikon haven't come out with anything better. R&D $ is going into digital. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the useful life of the body is abo

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-26 Thread Herb Chong
es will be better enough to make a difference in getting that shot faster than you were able to before. Herb. - Original Message - From: "whickersworld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 20:12 Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 d

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> Then maybe we could quote him from the Leica R8/R9 thread with: It's one thing to critisize something, and the other to repeatedly moan about how a certain company should do this or that while having no intention to buy the supposedly "better" product. Regards, Lukasz =

OT Nikon mount (Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Caveman
Just a quote from there: "For the past three years, people groan about not being able to use the new G lenses on their 40 year old F bodies. there comes a point in time where back-wards compatibility hinders advances in technology." LOL. Sounds exactly like some Pentax apologists here. Len Par

RE: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Len Paris
nal Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > > > Excerpt from: > http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=005K61 > > >

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Caveman
Pål Jensen wrote: >>> The weirdest stuff are those who are unhappy with equipment they >>> never had any intention of buying in the first place. Now that is >>> weird. Like that guy Paal Jensen being unhappy with Leica R9 ? No. That guy is not unhappy with the R9, Then maybe we could quote him fr

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Pål Jensen
> Like that guy Paal Jensen being unhappy with Leica R9 ? No. That guy is not unhappy with the R9, he has no interest in it. He does, however, find the R6 interesting.

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Feroze Kistan
There's a cure for that ailment you know Feroze - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm suffering from an almost-complete lack of equipment lust these days. > I could get used to this!

Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Caveman
Pål Jensen wrote: The weirdest stuff are those who are unhappy with equipment they never had any intention of buying in the first place. Now that is weird. Like that guy Paal Jensen being unhappy with Leica R9 ? cheers, caveman

Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Pål Jensen
Doug wrote: > Not unfortunate at all. I'm comfortable and satisfied with my choice of > camera gear. Makes photography less stressful, being fine with the equipment. So am I. Particularly after I aquired the 150-300 for the 645 all my gear lust (well most of it) is cured. I'm perfectly happy

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Not unfortunate at all. I'm comfortable and satisfied with my choice of >camera gear. Makes photography less stressful, being fine with the equipment. I just realized that it's been over a year since I last purchased a lens. I tried to think what other len

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Doug Brewer
Not unfortunate at all. I'm comfortable and satisfied with my choice of camera gear. Makes photography less stressful, being fine with the equipment. At 04:43 PM 6/26/03, throwing caution to the wind, Lawrence Kwan wrote: True; but unfortunately, I am the odd man out in this list - I actually l

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Caveman wrote: > > I personnally would want a separate digital body, so that I can shoot > > film and digital whenever I want. > If you don't mind using separate lenses too, they're available now. True; but unfortunately, I am the odd man out in this list - I actually like and

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Joshua Hakin
Ya ya, in 35mm, I am honestly curious... On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 03:44 PM, Caveman wrote: Joshua Hakin wrote: How many systems today have interchangeable viewfinders? Mamiya, Hasselblad, Pentax (67), Contax, Bronica cheers, caveman

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Joshua Hakin
I actually didn't know, that's why I ask... On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Christian Skofteland wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2003 15:26, Joshua Hakin wrote: How many systems today have interchangeable viewfinders? How about the Nikon F5 and in MF... just about all of them? Christian

RE: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Jens Bladt
, etc.). So, this obviously has a lot do do with sales numbers, service argonization etc. rather than quality or features etc... Regards Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. juni 2003 22:00 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-26 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: I think you've completely overlooked the enormous benefit of using a digital back with a film SLR. That is, when the digital technology improves, you can buy a better back without having to change your SLR. REPLY: What enormous benefit? It seems to be at an enourmous cost and gettin

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Pål Jensen
William wrote: The MZ-S, as well constructed as it is, is not backed by a system, and doesn't have a lot of what are now considered Pro features. REPLY: Pentax never claimed the MZ-S was a pro camera. They have called it semi-pro and the boss of the camera division compared it to the EOS3 and th

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: On the contrary, there have been official denials from Nikon Japan, Nikon USA, Nikon Europe and Nikon UK. You can be sure that the rumour is about as false as could be. REPLY: If so, it is sad. It was such a great idea. However, unless Nikon plan to release the stuff in the next m

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Caveman
Joshua Hakin wrote: How many systems today have interchangeable viewfinders? Mamiya, Hasselblad, Pentax (67), Contax, Bronica cheers, caveman

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Thursday 26 June 2003 15:26, Joshua Hakin wrote: > How many systems today have interchangeable viewfinders? > > How about the Nikon F5 and in MF... just about all of them? Christian

Re: digital backs (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Caveman
T Rittenhouse wrote: U? I must be missing something here. Why not just record when light hits the sensor, I mean you do have a shutter. What more do you need? You don't want to read the sensor in the middle of an exposure, do you ? cheers, caveman

Re: digital backs (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread T Rittenhouse
IL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Re: digital backs (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) > Anthony Farr wrote: > > Interesting. Do you know how the backs are controlled? My guess would be > > that either they use X-synch from the lens to signal the back

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > It uses film. > I knew that. William Robb

Vs: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Raimo Korhonen
TED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 26. kesäkuuta 2003 14:15 Aihe: Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) >Raimo Korhonen wrote: > >So Pentax LX and Olympus OM-2 were the only professional >cameras in the world? >Actually OT

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back

2003-06-26 Thread "Mike Ignatiev"
buy a better back ($4500) without having to change your SLR ($1000)? is it me or does it sound like "buy a better camera without having to change neck-strap"? mishka > From: "whickersworld" > Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back > > I think you'

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Mark Roberts
"whickersworld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On the contrary, there have been official denials from Nikon >Japan, Nikon USA, Nikon Europe and Nikon UK. Where have these denials appeared? Anything other than the carefully worded comment Pål remarked on so astutely? -- Mark Roberts Photography an

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-26 Thread Blivit4
It uses film. BR "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The MZ-S, as well constructed as it is, is not backed by a system, and >doesn't have a lot of what are now considered Pro features. __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Ne

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Th. Stach
Brendan schrieb: > > Pentax we want a MZ-S with the AF and metering ( only > if it's beter ) from the *ist, full Kmount, AND > DIGITAL BACK! 10 mp if you would please. No!!! You forgot the interchangeable viewfinders! And more fps, please! ;-) Thomas > --- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Brendan
Pentax we want a MZ-S with the AF and metering ( only if it's beter ) from the *ist, full Kmount, AND DIGITAL BACK! 10 mp if you would please. --- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Thank you Pentax! > >And today? > >Curse you Pentax! > > What a nice way to repay Pentax. :-) > > rega

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Alan Chan
Thank you Pentax! And today? Curse you Pentax! What a nice way to repay Pentax. :-) regards, Alan Chan _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-26 Thread Th. Stach
Caveman schrieb: > > Joshua Hakin wrote: > > > > What makes the LX more "pro" than the MZS??? > > OTF metering. A feature not to be found in entry level cameras. > For me it's the system! The LX was a real system: Interchangeable viewfinders (which I make extensive use of!) atttachable/detacha

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Joshua Hakin Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > > What makes the LX more "pro" than the MZS??? In it's time, the LX was one of the most advanced system cameras made. Of course, the times changed very quickly, and the LX didn'

Vs: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Raimo Korhonen
http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 26. kesäkuuta 2003 4:22 Aihe: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) >Joshua Hakin wrote: >>

Re: digital backs (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Anthony Farr wrote: Interesting. Do you know how the backs are controlled? My guess would be that either they use X-synch from the lens to signal the back when capture should commence, or they totally bypass the shutter system of the camera and use th

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Caveman
Bill Owens wrote: OTF metering. A feature not to be found in entry level cameras. Except the now departed Olympus OM-10 Does not have interchangeable viewfinders. Another feature not to be found in entry level cameras. cheers, caveman ;-)

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Bill Owens
> Joshua Hakin wrote: > > > > What makes the LX more "pro" than the MZS??? > > OTF metering. A feature not to be found in entry level cameras. > > cheers, > caveman ;-) Except the now departed Olympus OM-10 Bill

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-25 Thread Steve Larson
What a sweet setup, I think I`ll shoot film today and digital tomorrow. Choices are good! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Christian Skofteland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: OT: Leica R9/R8 d

"Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Caveman
Peter Alling wrote: a professional camera is what a professional uses Professionals have used about each and every camera that was ever manufactured. According to this def, all cameras are professional. cheers, caveman ;-)

Re: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Steve Larson
That`s the biggie Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: "Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) > Joshua Haki

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-25 Thread Steve Larson
, California - Original Message - From: "Joshua Hakin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back. > > What makes the LX more "pro" than the MZS??? > > > >

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-25 Thread Peter Alling
For the time, dust/moisture seals, 5 frame/sec motor, interchangeable screens and finders, high reliability shutter, well I guess what I'd say is it's direct competition for the Nikon F3. The MZ-S is aimed at the F100 class of camera, but that's only some peoples opinion. Mine is that a profess

Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.

2003-06-25 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - From: "Joshua Hakin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What makes the LX more "pro" than the MZS??? > Oh, GOD! Not Again! Christian

"Pro" talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)

2003-06-25 Thread Caveman
Joshua Hakin wrote: What makes the LX more "pro" than the MZS??? OTF metering. A feature not to be found in entry level cameras. cheers, caveman ;-)

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