Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-10 Thread Peter Lacus
Hello John, why have you trucate edited my comments to make them out context? I was just commenting that in terms of resolution, a 3Mp true color sensor is more resolution than 10Mp bayer type sensor which is really only 2.5Mp true color upconverted/interpolated back up to a fake full color

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
and I dont see why not. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Lacus Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:45 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? Hello John, why have you trucate edited my comments to make

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
, and once summed, its at a lower resoution than the rated bayer resolution. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Lacus Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:45 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? Hello John, why

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-10 Thread Peter Lacus
John, Oh yeah, to get full luminance information from any X megapixel sensor, all the individual pixels have to be wideband monochrome, (no bayer filtering). I think kodak actually made one like this at one time, I would love one, if it was cheap and much higher resolution than a same Mp

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Thibouille
IMO Foveon has a problem: marketing number. Only those who know that megapixels isn't the only thing will consider such a sensor. Most poeple will notice it is not 10Mpix and will reject it pretty quickly. Sigma tries to be different than others using Foveon and it is a good thing from Sigma I

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread David Savage
I'm so excited by the idea I think I just wet myself. Dave On 3/10/07, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in the next six months or so. Foveon's design escapes resolution issues that are intrinsic to Bayer pattern

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Thibouille
- Mensaje original De: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: viernes, 9 de marzo, 2007 18:20:41 Asunto: Re: Pentax and Foveon? IMO Foveon has a problem: marketing number. Only those who know that megapixels isn't the only thing will consider

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
: viernes, 9 de marzo, 2007 18:20:41 Asunto: Re: Pentax and Foveon? IMO Foveon has a problem: marketing number. Only those who know that megapixels isn't the only thing will consider such a sensor. Most poeple will notice it is not 10Mpix and will reject it pretty quickly. Sigma tries

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 12:07:25PM -0500, Mark Erickson wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in the next six months or so. Foveon's design escapes resolution issues that are intrinsic to Bayer pattern color sensors. I don't see why Pentax has to

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? I'm so excited by the idea I think I just wet myself. Thats the porn you are looking at William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Bong Manayon
Hmmm...I have a creeping sense that it might be in Olympus or one (or all) of the Four Thirds group. Didn't Sigma become part of that group? And their goal is to build the digital camera from ground up? Bong On 3/10/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO Foveon has a problem: marketing

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/09/07 12:21 PM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so excited by the idea I think I just wet myself. Wanna NASA's issue diaper? Another rumour says that it was Canon who's been quietly working with Foveon (I am not totally convinced by this as Canon do not seem to have much

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Mark Erickson wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in the next six months or so. Foveon's design escapes resolution issues that are intrinsic to Bayer pattern color sensors. I don't see why Pentax has to stick

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? IMO Foveon has a problem: marketing number. Only those who know that megapixels isn't the only thing

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Francis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:40 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 12:07:25PM -0500, Mark Erickson wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in the next six months or so. Foveon's design escapes

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Joseph Tainter
I don't see why Pentax has to stick with Sony forever. Wouldn't it be cool if Pentax tied up with Foveon for their next DSLR sensor? For me, one of the least appealing things in digital photography would be to have to remember three lens crop factors instead of two. Now, if new Foveon had the

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Adam Maas
K.Takeshita wrote: On 3/09/07 12:21 PM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so excited by the idea I think I just wet myself. Wanna NASA's issue diaper? Another rumour says that it was Canon who's been quietly working with Foveon (I am not totally convinced by this as Canon do not

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 12:07:25PM -0500, Mark Erickson wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in the next six months or so. Foveon's design escapes resolution issues that are intrinsic to Bayer pattern color sensors. I don't see

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Erickson wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in he next six months or so. snip Wouldn't it be cool if Pentax tied up with Foveon for their next DSLR sensor? Could indeed be interesting. But my money is on one of the four thirds cameras.

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Markus Maurer
, 2007 6:41 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? Interpolation should get you there with no problem at all. 2007/3/9, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But, actually, if you want to print a big copy (or crop) you are in trouble since you have 'only' 2652x1768 pixels

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Unless they've greatly improved on these things in recent developments, and in addition to the MegaPixel Barrier, I think it's too early as yet to suggest that Pentax abandon Sony's proven sensor technology. I thought that was the point of the Pentax/Samsung

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread P. J. Alling
That's way, way, w, to much information. David Savage wrote: I'm so excited by the idea I think I just wet myself. Dave On 3/10/07, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumors are surfacing that Foveon sensors may show up in non Sigma DSLRs in the next six months or so.

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Lacus
bayer for you to be interested? Even a 3Mp true color foveon is approx same as 12mp bayer, which is better why do you think so, John? Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Lacus
Godfrey, means that, under certain circumstances, Fovean sensors have more tendency to create moire and other Analog to Digital artifacts. Much of which can be controlled by post-capture image processing in the camera, of course. that sounds interesting, do you know how? Cheers,

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Lacus Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? bayer for you to be interested? Even a 3Mp true color foveon is approx same as 12mp bayer

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Thibouille
Nothing has been stated about sensors. Whatr was stated id that Samsung would bring their know-how of electronics technologies so Pentax can more concentrate on photographic part. Of course everybody speculated (and still does) about sensor but I know rumors suggested Pentax could be developing

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Peter Lacus Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? bayer for you to be interested? Even a 3Mp true color foveon is approx same as 12mp bayer, which is better why do you think so, John? Seems to me it would be 9mp equivalent at best, but with less sensitivity

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 04:55:08PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Lacus Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? bayer for you to be interested? Even a 3Mp true color foveon is approx same as 12mp bayer, which is better why do you think so, John

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Peter Lacus wrote: means that, under certain circumstances, Fovean sensors have more tendency to create moire and other Analog to Digital artifacts. Much of which can be controlled by post-capture image processing in the camera, of course. that sounds

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:03 PM, John Francis wrote: My impression (based on seeing the best Foveon could provide) is that the 3MP Sigma produced results roughly comparable to those from a 6MP Bayer Sensor. That's the impression I get from talking with John Bean, who has a lot of experience

RE: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread J. C. O'Connell
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 7:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:03 PM, John Francis wrote: My impression (based on seeing the best Foveon could provide) is that the 3MP Sigma produced

Re: Pentax and Foveon?

2007-03-09 Thread David Savage
On 3/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Pentax and Foveon? I'm so excited by the idea I think I just wet myself. Thats the porn you are looking at Ahhh...that explains it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax