RE: A question for color film users

cluttered background. Just 2 cents worth from a repair guy/wannabe photographer. Don > -Original Message- > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:37 AM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: A question for color film

Re: A question for color film users

if you don't like doing it in Photoshop, shoot 3 B&W frames through R, G and B filters. you'll get your "channels" on your beloved TriX, and you'll be able to combine it back into color with as much control as you like, bathing in the (ferro)cyanide. or take three exposures of the same frame of t

Re: A question for color film users

- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: A question for color film users This is the sculpture that I want to photograph: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/sunbather.html Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones. Have you considered taking a large

Re: Re: A question for color film users

Ah, but where does that "not" go? Before "always", or after "about" ? Shel Belinkoff mused: > > Yes, there is a missing "not" in there. Good catch ;-)) > > Shel > > > > [Original Message] > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > For me it

Re: Re: A question for color film users

Yes, there is a missing "not" in there. Good catch ;-)) Shel > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For me it's always about > > doing things the easy way - I take pride in the skills I have as well as > > the craft of photograph

Re: A question for color film users

Tks Tom ... I don't own a flash, and don't know how to use one. I'll have to pass on that suggestion ... Shel > [Original Message] > From: Tom Reese > Shel Belinkoff asked: > > > I know how to control contrast and tonality with B&W film, but how > > does one do it with color? For exampl

Re: A question for color film users

Hmmm. Tough one. I see the cluttered background as the main problem. If I were to shoot an angle like that seen in your digipic, I might try to shoot it at night with two flash units carefully aimed and diffused. You'd probably get random lights in the background from the houses, but that might

Re: A question for color film users

This is the sculpture that I want to photograph: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/sunbather.html Shel > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stenquist > I thought about your shot while I was out for my morning walk on this > lovely spring day. The classic way to accomplish this on film (or >

Re: Re: A question for color film users

> > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/04/20 Wed AM 12:41:40 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: A question for color film users > For me it's always about > doing things the easy way - I take pride in the skills I

Re: A question for color film users

etn> ... but I notice no mention of the SMELL. That eau de fixer that stayed in etn> the nose for hours and took the joy right out of the next meal. Fix in NaCl as Talbot did, or use non-smelling fixer (yes there are such), use coffee developers and it will bring the joy back - nothing like smelli

Re: A question for color film users

Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: (poetic memories of darkroom work -- good reading but too long to quote) ... but I notice no mention of the SMELL. That eau de fixer that stayed in the nose for hours and took the joy right out of the next meal. I miss a few things about the chemical

Re: A question for color film users

Necessary? Nope. I don't find it at all painful to try and make photos outside of Photoshop and the "digital work flow." For me it's always about doing things the easy way - I take pride in the skills I have as well as the craft of photography. Photoshop and digi stuff is fine, but there's more

Re: A question for color film users

- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: A question for color film users Why Bill! I didn't know you were French! And I thought you were in Saskatchewan, not Quebec! I am, and while all this was going on, my ancestors were still in Scotland, minding the

Re: A question for color film users

My thoughts would be to go along the lines of time of day Using the golden hour of sunset, when the sun is red, if you can catch it with the sun full on the statue, you will get the best light at least as I envision it. I suppose that maybe a morning sunrise shot would work as well... I thi

Re: Re: A question for color film users

HAR! Regards, Bob... "A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three thousand times the memory." From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:38:22 -0700, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: unnecessary mommy unnecessary! Whi

Re: A question for color film users

b" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: A question for color film users Oh God! Not the old, British unnecessary "u" thing again. Next you'll be trying to get us infected with your mommy nation's national dyslexia, insist

Re: [No longer] Re: A question for color film users

You must be slow today! That never happens. Twain is wonderful. How many people manage to stay funny for over a hundred years? Orthographic reform is a loser, but I think the phenomenon represented by the following passage is worthy of further development. By

Re: A question for color film users

On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:42 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Thanks for your suggestion about exposure ... 'tween you and Bob and a comment or two made by another person off list, I think I know how I'm going to approach this. After all, photographers did things like this for years without Photoshop. ... a

Re: A question for color film users

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[No longer] Re: A question for color film users

At 3:26 PM +0100 4/19/05, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, frank theriault wrote: Actually, I think we should abolish vowels. Try arabic, I am told there are no vowels there. Kostas Now, pay attention... A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

Re: A question for color film users

Hi Shel, apart from control of the light on location (which could be your best bet), these things can alter colour tonal relationship: * cross processing * bleach bypass during C41 processing and fixing in B&W fixer (increases contrast and desaturates colours - for a computer simulated bleach byp

Re: A question for color film users

>> Production assistants? LOL, I'd probably have to recruit some. KK> Frantisek, any recommendations from your latest interview round? KK> Kostas ;-) LOL Best is just a photographer girlfriend/boyfriend/s.o. :) Good light! fra

Re: A question for color film users

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, frank theriault wrote: > Actually, I think we should abolish vowels. Try arabic, I am told there are no vowels there. Kostas

Re: A question for color film users

On 4/19/05, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh God! Not the old, British unnecessary "u" thing again. No, it's that English Proper Spelling Thing. Next you'll be > trying to get us infected with your mommy nation's national dyslexia, > insisting that it's not "theater", but "theatre" C

Re: A question for color film users

Of course, there's a small problem, that being whatever is photographed on film would have to be scanned and posted here, which may negate or change that which was originally captured on film. Anyway, I'm heading over to the sculpture this afternoon to make some preliminary shots on the digi, and

Re: A question for color film users

Wow! That is so cool ... Too bad they are so spendy. I'd hate to think what they's cost for a 49mm or 58mm size. Shel > [Original Message] > From: William Robb > A notch filter is a narrow band rejection filter. They reject a certain > frequency while passing all others. > Sadly, they are

Re: A question for color film users

- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: A question for color film users I've gotten several responses by private mail suggesting Photoshop . That's easy enuf to do, and I can think of several ways to accomplish that. I guess with color film, unl

Re: A question for color film users

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Production assistants? LOL, I'd probably have to recruit some. Frantisek, any recommendations from your latest interview round? Kostas ;-)

Re: A question for color film users

I'm going to be quite close to the sculpture this afternoon, and I may just bop over there and grab a couple of shots with the digi so I can show you the setup. It's probably not quite what you think it is, as the artwork lays on the ground, unlike most sculptures that are upright. The location o

Re: A question for color film users

Hi Shel, I thought about your shot while I was out for my morning walk on this lovely spring day. The classic way to accomplish this on film (or digital for that matter) is to shoot the scene when backlit using large reflectors to light the sculpture. The sun should be off to one side or the o

Re: A question for color film users

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > going to approach this. After all, photographers did things like this for > years without Photoshop. Can you keep us posted? I am very interested. I don't follow PAWs and PESOs; that's my problem, not yours, but thought to let you know in case you int

Re: A question for color film users

Shel Belinkoff asked: > I know how to control contrast and tonality with B&W film, but how > does one do it with color? For example, there's a piece of artwork > that I'd like to photograph. It's rusted metal and the background > is green grass. I'd like to photograph it in such a way that the >

Re: A question for color film users

Hi Paul, That's the thing ... it's easy to do in Photoshop, but I'd like to find a way to do it outside of Photoshop, ideally using natural light, and making it happen with film choice, exposure, processing, and so on. Thanks for your suggestion about exposure ... 'tween you and Bob and a comment

Re: A question for color film users

Of course with BW you have the option of colored filters to selectively alter the light. With color, it's tough to exercise a lot of control in camera. More light on the rusted art with a reflector or diffused flash would help. With negative film a bit of overexposure might help as well. But th

Re: Re: A question for color film users

> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:38:22 -0700, Bob Blakely > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > unnecessary mommy unnecessary! While "wimmin"! especially immigrants > sorry pill You were saying?? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using

Re: A question for color film users

At 00:19 2005.04.19 -0400, you wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:37:37 -0700 From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I know how to control contrast and tonality with B&W film, but how does one d

Re: A question for color film users

Bob, And what was America's mommy nation? John On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:38:22 -0700, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh God! Not the old, British unnecessary "u" thing again. Next you'll be trying to get us infected with your mommy nation's national dyslexia, insisting that it's not "t

Re: A question for color film users

In the same situation I might be tempted to add light to the artwork with a flash, but that might not be the effect you want. S Shel Belinkoff wrote: I know how to control contrast and tonality with B&W film, but how does one do it with color? For example, there's a piece of artwork that I'd lik

Re: A question for color film users

Hi Bob, I was thinking I might have more control with slide film and shooting during "magic hour" early in the AM or in the evening when the red from the sun light would enhance the red of the art work, and maybe not have so great an effect on the green grass (which, over the years, I've found oft

Re: A question for color film users

I've gotten several responses by private mail suggesting Photoshop . That's easy enuf to do, and I can think of several ways to accomplish that. I guess with color film, unless when uses tricky lights, this same effect can't be accomplished. What's a notch filter? Some time ago I photographed a

Re: A question for color film users

- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: A question for color film users Oh God! Not the old, British unnecessary "u" thing again. Next you'll be trying to get us infected with your mommy nation's national dyslexia, insisting that it'

Re: A question for color film users

Oh God! Not the old, British unnecessary "u" thing again. Next you'll be trying to get us infected with your mommy nation's national dyslexia, insisting that it's not "theater", but "theatre", not "center", but "centre". I say Noah Webster didn't go far enough! It should be "ded", not "dead". T

Re: A question for color film users

Frankly, I'd do it with light control. You know, good old fashioned reflectors to light the rusted artwork. I suppose you could put a skylight filter on. It wouldn't put any noticeably unacceptable color casts on rust or grass, but the advantage may not be noticeable either. Rust is a reddish c

Re: A question for color film users

That should read "colour film". William Robb - Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: A question for color film users - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: A question for color film users I know how to control contr

Re: A question for color film users

- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: A question for color film users I know how to control contrast and tonality with B&W film, but how does one do it with color? For example, there's a piece of artwork that I'd like to photograph. It's rusted metal and the background i