RE: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: "J.C. O'Connell" all of this assumes that the 24mp image is actually 1.5 times the resolution of the 16mp image. Its not because you would have to have an infinite resolution lens to achieve that. With the aps format, 24mp is really pushing the limits of the lensThe real solution is a

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/22/2012 7:16 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2012-04-22 14:03 P. J. Alling wrote A 24mp sensor gives a liner dpi improvement in a 13x19in print of lets see, (carry the one divide by 19), 50 dpi. For that I expect that a raw file will be roughly four times the size of a K-5 file and 90% of the

RE: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread J.C. O'Connell
! - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread steve harley
on 2012-04-22 14:03 P. J. Alling wrote A 24mp sensor gives a liner dpi improvement in a 13x19in print of lets see, (carry the one divide by 19), 50 dpi. For that I expect that a raw file will be roughly four times the size of a K-5 file and 90% of the time the improvement imperceptible at a norm

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread P. J. Alling
-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 22 April 2012 21:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699 Not that I don't want higher resolution, but right now, my desktop handles K20D sized files with aplomb. It (most), probably, won't have

RE: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread Bob W
ing > Sent: 22 April 2012 21:03 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699 > > Not that I don't want higher resolution, but right now, my desktop > handles K20D sized files with aplomb. It (most), probably, won't have > p

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Not that I don't want higher resolution, but right now, my desktop handles K20D sized files with aplomb. It (most), probably, won't have problems with K-5 sized files, though you never know, they are at least twice as large as K20D files. My printer is capable of producing 13x19in output. th

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-22 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/20/2012 12:08 PM, Tom C wrote: But, I wonder who really would produce a work worthy of an enlargement suitable for so many pixels? Boris, don't forget, more pixels per image captured, allow a better crop, especially helpful with wildlife shots. Kenneth Waller I'm sure Boris knows that. :-

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Totally agree with Paul! Cheers, Christine On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Lots of pixels are a plus, but I wouldn't want them if it gives away any high > ISO capability. If it's not the equal of the K05 at 6400, I wouldn't be > interested. > Paul > On Apr 19, 2012, at 1

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/20/2012 19:08, Tom C wrote: I'm sure Boris knows that. :-) It also occurs to Boris to notice that D800 (like D700 before it) automatically goes to APS-C mode if a DX lens is mounted on it. So, in somewhat peculiar way buying D800 one buys two cameras in one, because with so many pixels

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread John Francis
Back in the very early days (way before the *ist-D, when I was still shooting with a PZ-1p and scanning from negatives or slides) I did some comparisons between a handful of consumer scanners and a mid-range pro scanner (a Kodak PhotoCD scanner with a competent operator). My conclusion was that w

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/20/2012 19:36, John Sessoms wrote: More pixels just gives you more to work with. If you don't need them no one is forcing you to use them. Maybe you can't produce work "worthy" of that pixel count, but you'll never find out unless you try. I'm sure there's plenty of photographers out there d

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/20/2012 18:27, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: But, I wonder who really would produce a work worthy of an enlargement suitable for so many pixels? Boris, don't forget, more pixels per image captured, allow a better crop, especially helpful with wildlife shots. Certainly so, Ken. It is then t

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread Darren Addy
Related to what has already been said, more pixels gives software algorithms more information to work with when interpolating (think better sharpening, for instance). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: Boris Liberman On 4/20/2012 05:13, John Sessoms wrote: That math is so simple, even I can do it. A 135mm film frame is 24x36 mm. Convert to inches & you get 0.94 x 1.42 Scan @ 4,000 dpi = 3760 x 5680 = 21,356,800 Divide twice by 1024 gives 20.37 MP I chose 4,000 dpi because that's wha

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread Tom C
>> But, I wonder who really would produce a work worthy of an enlargement >> suitable for so many pixels? > > Boris, don't forget, more pixels per image captured, allow a better crop, > especially helpful with wildlife shots. > > Kenneth Waller I'm sure Boris knows that. :-) Do you remember when

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-20 Thread kwaller
ginal Message - From: "Boris Liberman" Subject: Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699 On 4/20/2012 05:13, John Sessoms wrote: That math is so simple, even I can do it. A 135mm film frame is 24x36 mm. Convert to inches & you get 0.94 x 1.42 Scan @ 4,00

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
Paul Stenquist wrote: Lots of pixels are a plus, but I wouldn't want them if it gives away any high ISO capability. If it's not the equal of the K05 at 6400, I wouldn't be interested. Paul I agree. However, the D3200 will reshape the whole DSLR market from entry level (below K-r) to high mid

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/20/2012 05:13, John Sessoms wrote: That math is so simple, even I can do it. A 135mm film frame is 24x36 mm. Convert to inches & you get 0.94 x 1.42 Scan @ 4,000 dpi = 3760 x 5680 = 21,356,800 Divide twice by 1024 gives 20.37 MP I chose 4,000 dpi because that's what Nikon said the Coolsc

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread John Sessoms
That math is so simple, even I can do it. A 135mm film frame is 24x36 mm. Convert to inches & you get 0.94 x 1.42 Scan @ 4,000 dpi = 3760 x 5680 = 21,356,800 Divide twice by 1024 gives 20.37 MP I chose 4,000 dpi because that's what Nikon said the Coolscan 9000 could do. From: Steven Desjardi

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Darren Addy
I have to say, that the hand-wringing over Pentax seems to ignore that Ricoh only acquired Pentax in October of 2011. A certain amount of time for reorganization, melding of talent, and reacquisition of goals and decisions regarding business directions had to be made. I have the feeling that the K-

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Tom C
> From: John Francis > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 02:10:19PM -0600, Tom C wrote: >> > I believe it kills a lot of cameras, including all of the midrange Nikons. >> > I also believe Pentax has to wake up, instead of dreaming to be Leica and >> > make the K-01. >> > >> > Dario >> >> Yes. It's looking

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Lots of pixels are a plus, but I wouldn't want them if it gives away any high ISO capability. If it's not the equal of the K05 at 6400, I wouldn't be interested. Paul On Apr 19, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 4/19/2012 20:13, Tom C wrote: >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/19/

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 02:20:06PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: > The wireless unit requires leaving the side door open? I can feel > Steve Jobs spinning in his grave from Nebraska. That is just bizarre. > > The price point sounds excellent, but we have no idea (at this point) > how much more the wir

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Most photographers who own DSLRs don't need 24mp. Hell, most don't need 2.4mp. On the other hand it will make a lot of computer hardware manufactures happy. On 4/19/2012 1:43 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 4/19/2012 20:13, Tom C wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/19/Nikon-D3200-with-

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread P. J. Alling
24mp is the new 6mp. On 4/19/2012 1:13 PM, Tom C wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/19/Nikon-D3200-with-WiFi-Option -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/ma

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Darren Addy
The wireless unit requires leaving the side door open? I can feel Steve Jobs spinning in his grave from Nebraska. That is just bizarre. The price point sounds excellent, but we have no idea (at this point) how much more the wireless unit is going to set the billfold back. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Darren Addy
I've been expecting Live Preview capabilities to be available on phones & iPads for a while now. I almost posted my prognostications just this morning, but got busy with work "emergencies". I think DSLR feature sets (from most manufacturers) are going to move into this interconnectivity-with-our-ot

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
I believe it kills a lot of cameras, including all of the midrange Nikons. I also believe Pentax has to wake up, instead of dreaming to be Leica and make the K-01. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Tom C Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:13 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/19/2012 20:13, Tom C wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/19/Nikon-D3200-with-WiFi-Option Tom, I should point that Samsung has announced 3 more WiFi cameras each having 20.5 MP APS-C sensor as well. Indeed, it appears that Nikon is presently dominating the boasting race - they

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
I remember a PDML post once upon a time that claimed it would take about 20-25 MP for digital to equal the IQ of film. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: > ...available in red, no less... > > ;) > -c > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Tom C wrote: >> http://www.dpreview.

Re: OT - Nikon Announces 24MP APS-C DSLR - $699

2012-04-19 Thread Christine Nielsen
...available in red, no less... ;) -c On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Tom C wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/19/Nikon-D3200-with-WiFi-Option > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, pleas