Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts
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Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be
quite interested.
Is the K-200D that much larger?
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The specifications say so. It's larger than the K100D which was larger
than the *ist-D, (When I tried one out it was comfortable to hold though).
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Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts
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Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the
Op Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:09:11 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling
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The specifications say so. It's larger than the K100D which was larger
than the *ist-D, (When I tried one out it was comfortable to hold
though).
O.k. I *really* liked the small Olympus (E-420?) from the pictures,
The other thing that I like from the *ist D is the mirror slap noise,
compared to the one of the *ist DS (and I'm assuming that the same
applies to the KxxD series) the latter is much louder, more intrusive
for candid photography (for what I use the *ist D, low light candid
photos with fast
On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Fernando wrote:
BTW Somebody knows how loud is the Oly E-420 mirror slap?
Was just at the camera shop this morning and looked at the E-420.
It's too small for my hands, I'd feel cramped using it; the *ist DS
for a similar sized camera was better suited to my
Thnxs
On 6/19/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Fernando wrote:
BTW Somebody knows how loud is the Oly E-420 mirror slap?
Was just at the camera shop this morning and looked at the E-420.
It's too small for my hands, I'd feel cramped using it; the
To my ear it's quiet. However you may think differently. I don't find
the Ds to be louder than the D just different. The sound is higher
pitched so it carries more.
Fernando wrote:
The other thing that I like from the *ist D is the mirror slap noise,
compared to the one of the *ist DS (and
My wife has the DLux Leica. It is a nice camera, little shutter lag,
good autofocus, good exposure calculations. But, like most modern
PS cameras, no viewfinder. So you have to hold the stinking thing at
arms length to frame the image. Oh, and I tried to tell her it was a
clone of the
Steve Desjardins asked:
Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the
niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is
the highest quality PS you can get?
A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these:
The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is
a clone of the Panasonic.
Paul
On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
Steve Desjardins asked:
Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to
fill the
niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not
The Leica DLux-3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2. They share all the
hardware, other than the external case styling, but the image
processing firmware and JPEG settings are somewhat different
reflecting the two different companies' notions of what is best for
their clientele. They are both
I got to play with a Canon Powershot G9 last weekend. Shutter
delay wasn't an issue. Admittedly most of the time I wouldn't
have noticed it, anyway - I was half-pressing the shutter to
see which AF point it was choosing (a habit I've got into with
my DSLRs; although I generally have the AF set
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The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is
a clone of the Panasonic.
Paul
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I have a G9. It's a nice carry-around camera that can still shoot
raw. This camera fits in a niche between the point and shoots and the
DSLRs. It's a heavy little brick.
The shutter lag hasn't been an issue, but I don't do any high speed
action stuff. It's more than adequate for people
On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
The R-D1 is a
lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if
you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't.
Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike?
A nice little 250cc
On 16/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly.
But cool is what cool does.
How much do you reckon you've spent on that Chevy in your garage over
the years Paul ;)
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On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not
worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is.
Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out?
The D60 I bought brand new in about 2002 IIRC was nearly 2,000 GBP!!
How much was your first computer?
Used 8086 for a
I've spent about $40,000 on the Chevy, and it's worth about $50,000.
And in ten years it will be worth even more. My digital cameras, on
the other hand, will be consigned to the scrap heap:-).
Paul
On Jun 16, 2008, at 3:51 AM, Cotty wrote:
On 16/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated,
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
The R-D1 is a
lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if
you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't.
Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike?
Of
BTW, I'm certainly not criticizing your choice of a camera. I'd love
to have one. I just made the point that it's price is partly a
function of the cool factor. It's the camera of the moment. In part
because it's well made, but largely because of its fan base. Its
specs don't support its
2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
The R-D1 is a
lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if
you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't.
Of course I don't need it - and do you
David Savage wrote:
2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
The R-D1 is a
lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if
you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't.
Of course I don't need
Paul Stenquist wrote:
BTW, I'm certainly not criticizing your choice of a camera. I'd love
to have one. I just made the point that it's price is partly a
function of the cool factor. It's the camera of the moment. In part
because it's well made, but largely because of its fan base. Its
David Savage wrote:
2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
The R-D1 is a
lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if
you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't.
Of course I don't need
On 16/6/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
I've spent about $40,000 on the Chevy, and it's worth about $50,000.
And in ten years it will be worth even more. My digital cameras, on
the other hand, will be consigned to the scrap heap:-).
Yes but the point is that you don't
On 16/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not
overpriced ;-)
Bollocks! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! What price pride?!
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On 16/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
As Paul said, it's indisputably a cool camera. As cool as Paul's car or
my motorcycle.
Hey let's not get carried away now ;)
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Nice. Definitely a New York cat.
The important part in NY is that the camera is big enough to use as
weapon.
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/13/2008 6:21 PM
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
I like the cat.
I like the wires (I was in Jersey City once, and you captured it perfectly!).
I wish I had an RD-1. Anyone who's going to
On 16/6/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
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I like the cat.
I like the wires (I was in Jersey City once, and you captured it perfectly!).
I wish I had an RD-1. Anyone who's going to compare it to a DSLR and
then say it's not
Its price has little to do with a cool factor.
Being that Epson is a company that wanted to make a profit, they
rolled the costs of development and tooling together for a limited
number unit run and set a price.
That price happened to be high for it to be a profitable venture. Just
like
I consider the Kodak Medalist II a quality range finder, yet it's
anything but Zen like. It's a hulking brute of a camera, almost as
large as current Modern Canon Professional SLR and DSLR models, with a
similar length lens. Yet somehow svelte compared to anything else that
produces a 6x9
I'd like to have one to, but i'll just have to wait a bit.
I'll have to be cool all by myself.:-)
Dave
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16/6/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
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I like the cat.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I consider the Kodak Medalist II a quality range finder, yet it's
anything but Zen like. It's a hulking brute of a camera, almost as
large as current Modern Canon Professional SLR and DSLR models, with a
similar length
frank theriault wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I consider the Kodak Medalist II a quality range finder, yet it's
anything but Zen like. It's a hulking brute of a camera, almost as
large as current Modern Canon Professional SLR and DSLR
Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be
quite interested. How about a rangefinder body for k-mount lenses? The
image-plane-to-lens-mount distance would make the body quite deep and
it would be silly with most lenses, but with the pancake Limiteds...
cool.
I second
Besides, price is such a bourgeois concept.
David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/16/2008 7:26 AM
2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
The R-D1 is a
lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now)
if
I'm not sure that a long thread on the PDML constitutes much current
interest in rangefinders. ;-)
I honestly have not idea how big the actual market is and once you
start to divide it two or three ways there might not be much left.
Despite the review, I would be afraid to take on Leica for a
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I've spent about $40,000 on the Chevy, and it's worth about $50,000.
And in ten years it will be worth even more. My digital cameras, on
the other hand, will be consigned to the scrap heap:-).
Some digital cameras appreciate in value!
On Jun 14, 2008, at 17:02, Cotty wrote:
On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me
some wires.
Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not
something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes
me
some wires.
Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not
something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it
seems
that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sandy Harris wrote:
...
First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described
as mint, $1800.
Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's
capabilities.
A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new
K20D, roughly triple
On 14/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed:
First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described
as mint, $1800.
Har, thanks Sandy. It was pointed out to me by another listmember who
may well be eyeing it up. Looks like that person will have to be fast!
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On 15/6/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's
capabilities. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...)
It's an M mount, but I own no Leica lenses.
Both my lenses are M39 with an adapter on each, and compare more than
On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed:
A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new
K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to
those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake
reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity,
This is all true. So why do
Sorry folks, this is a Pentax list and I'm bleating OT about nothing to
do with Pentax. Apologies.
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A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new
K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to
those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake
reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity,
... And I've seen reports of reliability problems.
I'd like an RD-1 or an
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Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1
On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me
some wires.
Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's
Thanks folks.
I wonder if i have been looking at older web pages then,.
Dave
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
Just cannot justify a
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed:
A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new
K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to
those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake
reduction, lower
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's
capabilities. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...)
It's an M mount, but I own no Leica lenses.
Both my lenses are M39 with an adapter on each,
Mine are M39 and the Cannon 35mm 3.5 would make a very slow normal the
Leica 50mm is a collapsible design which, given the way I treat cameras,
would end up breaking something
Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a
And why should you be different...
Cotty wrote:
Sorry folks, this is a Pentax list and I'm bleating OT about nothing to
do with Pentax. Apologies.
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On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sandy Harris wrote:
...
First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described
as mint, $1800.
Still a
On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Cotty wrote:
On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed:
A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new
K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to
those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake
reduction, lower maximum ISO,
If I could get one for a little less than what I originally paid for a
*ist-Ds I might be very interested, but for the current used price I
could get a K20D and a K10D for backup, or the K20D with a 16-50mm
f2.8. No matter how nice it isn't that valuable.
Doug Brewer wrote:
On Jun 15, 2008,
Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the
money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is.
Paul
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If I could get one for a little less than what I originally paid for
On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not
worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is.
Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out?
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Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out?
The D60 I bought brand new in about 2002 IIRC was nearly 2,000 GBP!!
How much was your first computer?
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The first computer I actually owned I built myself, using a lot of
salvaged parts. I think I spent about $600.00. I've got the 10mb HD
around here somewhere, you can use if for a door stop, if you pay the
shipping it's yours.
Cotty wrote:
On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
Thomas Edison's labs were in New Jersey.
They're now at the Greenfield Viullage, in Dearborn, Michigan. Moved there
many years ago by Henry Ford.
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1
But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool
is what cool does.
Paul
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On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool
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On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not
worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:17:08AM +0100, Cotty wrote:
On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out?
$1695. That's what I paid for mine. It still works just fine,
and until very recently was getting about as much use as the K10D.
On 13/6/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
Very nice. I've got the same view outside my study window as your Hamilton
shot. And as Derby said, nice crisp shots. Glad you had a nice trip.
Cheers, Christine
Thanks
I like Tom in particular.
Henk
Cotty schreef:
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
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I like Tom in particular.
Henk
I second Henk's comment. It's a very nice photo.
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Arg.
Great photos, and the camera seems to be very good.
Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days.
Dave
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
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Nice pics. Love the Jersey City wires. Is the stoplight pic on the
street leading up to the Holland Tunnel?
Paul
On Jun 14, 2008, at 6:52 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
Arg.
Great photos, and the camera seems to be very good.
Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days.
Dave
On Fri, Jun
On 6/14/08, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like Tom in particular.
...
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
I like the Tom shot as well. Though I find myself wanting a bit more
midtone contrast in both of the BW shots. Maybe a bit of curves?
-Mat
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On Jun 13, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Cotty wrote:
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me
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I like Tom in particular.
Henk
I second Henk's comment. It's a very nice photo.
Carlos
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On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days.
Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot.
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On 14/6/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nice pics. Love the Jersey City wires. Is the stoplight pic on the
street leading up to the Holland Tunnel?
You da man! Indeed it is. Our friend Keith lives fairly close, opposite
a park. I liked Jersey City.
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On 14/6/08, Mat Maessen, discombobulated, unleashed:
I like the Tom shot as well. Though I find myself wanting a bit more
midtone contrast in both of the BW shots. Maybe a bit of curves?
Thanks Matt. I had it more contrasty with curves but found that Tom was
losing his, ahh structural integrity,
On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me
some wires.
Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not
something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems
that any old Joe can
I like Jersey City as well. It was pretty much all ghetto when I lived in NY 17
years ago. It's come a long way. But all of the New York area is gentrifying.
Some people don't like that, because they get squeezed out. But it's the way of
the world.
Paul
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days.
Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot.
First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described
as mint, $1800.
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ground wires were all that romantic.
Kenneth Waller
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1
On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes
In the mid 60's Jersey City was definitely a great place to be from!
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1
I like Jersey City as well. It was pretty much all ghetto when I lived in
NY 17 years ago
Sandy Harris wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days.
Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot.
First item on Cameraquest's price
Thomas Edison's labs were in New Jersey.
They are proud of their electric wires!
(That was a nice picture - also liked the tanker truck vs veritcal
building ribs, very graphic.)
Regards, Bob S.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer,
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Six NYC pics on R-D1
6 grabs from NY and NJ recently.
http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html
Very nice. I've got the same view outside my study
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