Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Thibouille
Yes Godfrey if you re-read my post (maybe I wasn't clear enough): DS does support TTL with 'external' flash but not RTF. D does support TTL anyway Every other DSLRs do only PTTL. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 3, 2007, at 16:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If you were going to buy anything more sophisticated than the Vivitar 285 or Sunpak 383, buy either the Pentax AF360FGZ or AF540FGZ. Personally, I haven't yet seen the need ... I use the Sunpak 383 and get excellent results from it. I

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:19 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: I actually just picked up a Sunpak 383 for $10 and find that, for the most part, I like it better than my Sigma EF-500 DG Super. It lacks a few features that the Sigma has (High-speed sync, second- curtian flash) for which I'll keep the

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Mark Dalal
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] So how well does TTL work on DS? What does one lose from P-TTL? P-TTL with the built in flash does pretty well if you are not one of those people whose eye-blink reflex timing is a problem. How about with a flash on the hot shoe? How would the DS do

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Mark Dalal wrote: So how well does TTL work on DS? What does one lose from P-TTL? P-TTL with the built in flash does pretty well if you are not one of those people whose eye-blink reflex timing is a problem. How about with a flash on the hot shoe? How would the

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Thibouille wrote: Not exactly ... the DS does support TTL with pre-A lens AFAIK but only with external flashes. the RTF will do PTTL or full output. The D can do TTL even with RTF flash and old M42 lens. Everuthinf from DL, DL2 etc and newer do NOT support TTL in ANY way.

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread David Savage
On 1/4/07, Mark Dalal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] So how well does TTL work on DS? What does one lose from P-TTL? P-TTL with the built in flash does pretty well if you are not one of those people whose eye-blink reflex timing is a problem. How

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread P. J. Alling
The AF280T seems to work fine on the Ds in TTL mode. It's not as powerful as I would like since the Ds is much like the D in that TTL flash works best at ISO 400. Mark Dalal wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] So how well does TTL work on DS? What does one lose from P-TTL?

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:50 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: So just to clarify... the -DS manual stating that P-TTL NOT working with A (or pre-A?) is a typo? An external P-TTL flash does indeed work properly with A lenses or older? The DS manual has a couple of discrepancies where it

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Cory Papenfuss
As simple as I can make it: With the DS built-in flash - P-TTL works with A series and all AF lenses. - flash operates full output, unmetered, with pre-A lenses used in manual exposure mode (so you can control the aperture). With the DS and an AF360/540FGZ dedicated external flash - P-TTL

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:51, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The one case I have not checked is to use a pre-A lens in Av mode and see if that works with P-TTL. It might, because the lens will ALWAYS be wide open ... the camera can make the exposure evaluation with the pre-flash before lifting the

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:51, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The one case I have not checked is to use a pre-A lens in Av mode and see if that works with P-TTL. It might, because the lens will ALWAYS be wide open ... the camera can make the exposure

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Brian Walters
Mark I've found both the 280T and 330FTZ both work well enough in TTL mode on the DS. A bit of flash compensation dialed in might be needed occasionally. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Mark Dalal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 4, 2007, at 14:24, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I don't get what you mean by the lens always being wide open. If you have a smaller aperture selected via the aperture ring, the lens will stop down when the shutter trips - regardless of whether or not you've metered for that possibility

TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread Cory Papenfuss
A friend of mine with a *ist-DL just bought a cheepie TTL flash and was surprised to discover that it didn't work. I seemed to recall that was one of the neuterings that Pentax did between the DS and the DL (removed TTL flash). Sure enough, it seemed to work fine on my -DS... even

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Not really, there's no reason, outside of deliberate prevention, to keep TTL from working with any lens, on a camera that supports it. The major problem might be that you're outside of the effective range for the flash output / sensor(or film for that matter) sensitivity. But that just

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That's a typo in the DS manual. The DS model supports P-TTL with A- series lenses, no problem. Pre-A series lenses used on the DS, DL, K100, K110 and K10D all do the same thing: the flash operates in full output, unmetered mode. You set exposure by using the guide number table in the manual.

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread Thibouille
Not exactly ... the DS does support TTL with pre-A lens AFAIK but only with external flashes. the RTF will do PTTL or full output. The D can do TTL even with RTF flash and old M42 lens. Everuthinf from DL, DL2 etc and newer do NOT support TTL in ANY way. That's it. 2007/1/3, Godfrey DiGiorgi

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread Mark Dalal
From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly ... the DS does support TTL with pre-A lens AFAIK but only with external flashes. the RTF will do PTTL or full output. So how well does TTL work on DS? What does one lose from P-TTL? Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That's not my experience, Thibouille. With any pre-A lens, the DS will do ONLY full output, unmetered flash with the built-in flash. Unless it does P-TTL in Av mode at wide-open aperture? I've never even tried that .. It certainly won't do it in Manual exposure mode. But yes: dedicated

Re: TTL/P-TTL question

2007-01-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
So how well does TTL work on DS? What does one lose from P-TTL? P-TTL with the built in flash does pretty well if you are not one of those people whose eye-blink reflex timing is a problem. But I don't ordinarily use either. I use a non-dedicated external auto-flash or a flash meter.