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From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
Well, maybe I should amend that statement. It is difficult in that you
have to pay careful attention to details, such as times, temperature,
agitation, enlarger setup, chemical stren
> Herb Chong said:
>
> > in the wet darkroom, getting the perfect print from a negative once
> > doesn't mean you will ever get it again.
>
Shel Belinkoff said:
>
> That's a ridiculous statement ...
>
Why is it ridiculous?
Duplicating a print in the darkroom is hard if there is much manipulati
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> > From: William Robb
>
> > - Original Message -----
> > From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> > Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
> >
> >
> > > That's a ridiculous statement ...
> >
> > Not really.
> > I have a fe
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From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
Herb's comment was quite broad and very general. I stand by my comment
that once you get the photo dialed in it's not at all difficult to get
repetitive results.
Your statement
koff"
> Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
>
>
> > That's a ridiculous statement ...
>
> Not really.
> I have a few negatives that I have managed to make, if not a perfect
print,
> at least a very good one, and even with careful notes and diagrams of my
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From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
That's a ridiculous statement ...
Not really.
I have a few negatives that I have managed to make, if not a perfect print,
at least a very good one, and even with careful notes and
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
I guess you're being facetious. But I think most photojournalists are quite
dedicated to truth. There are always violators but by and large I think
photojournalists are a noble and
Hi!
"What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
digital age is in using the computer in making an image... I really don't
care all that much about what the picture looks like that I took in the
field — I care about what I can make of the image in postproduction.
Certai
William Robb wrote:
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> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
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> >
> > The only difference I see is that this sort of post exposure creative work
> > is
> > now simpler and mo
I suppose the answer to your question is yes, although I much prefer other
techniques to dodging and burning, where the control can be even more
precise at times. Once a print is dialed in, it can be repeated. Dodging
and burning are only two ways of adjusting specific areas. When one
utilizes al
you are perfect at dodging and burning on every print you make?
Herb...
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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
That's a ridiculous statement ...
That's a ridiculous statement ...
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Herb Chong
> also, in the
> wet darkroom, getting the perfect print from a negative once doesn't mean
> you will ever get it again.
ller
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> Sent: Apr 5, 2005 7:39 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
>
> Bill Robb noted:
> > The big difference is that now, because manipulation can be done so
&g
Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
That's not to say that there aren't some things achievable in a digital
darkroom that could never be done purely with film. But with enough work,
most digital tricks can be replicated opto-chemically too (new word?).
problem for fine art photography. As far as photojpurnalism
> is
> concerned, truth is irrelevant.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
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> Sent: Apr 5, 2005 7:39 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Cre
Photojournalistic and fine art share a subset that one might describe as artful
photojournalisn. But in general, art interprets the world, photojournalism
records it.
A photojournalist must observe certain rules and precepts that are irrelevant
and counterproductive in the broader world of fine
On 5 Apr 2005 at 8:24, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
> post-production editing for photographers:
>
> "What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
> digital age is in using the computer in making an image
l.net
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
Bill Robb noted:
> The big difference is that now, because manipulation can be done so
> seamlessly and so easily, it is far easier for real dishonesty to slip past
> peoples conciousness, and be mistaken for truth.
Agreed. But that's
Agreed. But that's only a problem for photojournalism. As far as fine art
photography is concerned, truth is irrelevant.
Paul
That's the kicker for me. I hope/strive to ocasionally produce
photojournalistic fine art.
Tom C.
oh, puhlze!
mishka
ps:
(i don't mean in any way that tom is dishonest -- that's for wil's comment)
On Apr 5, 2005 7:13 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From: "Tom C"
> Subject: RE: Taking, Makin
On Apr 5, 2005 7:31 PM, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> KnarF, I think you need to read the full article to get what he is about.
Which is why I noted, "so it would seem from that quote".
I'll do that (read the article, that is), to get a better feel for
what he's about.
thanks,
fra
Bill Robb noted:
> The big difference is that now, because manipulation can be done so
> seamlessly and so easily, it is far easier for real dishonesty to slip past
> peoples conciousness, and be mistaken for truth.
Agreed. But that's only a problem for photojournalism. As far as fine art
photo
KnarF, I think you need to read the full article to get what he is about.
Kenneth Waller
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From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 5, 2005 6:49 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
On Apr 5, 2005 11:24 AM
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From: "Tom C"
Subject: RE: Taking, Making, Creating Images
But I would feel somehow guilty if I adopted his attitude. It probably
comes from shooting predominantly transparencies.
It probably comes from being predominantly honest.
William Robb
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images
The only difference I see is that this sort of post exposure creative work
is
now simpler and more accessible for people, and that errors can be fixed
with
Ctrl-Z, instead of binning the
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From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Taking, Making, Creating Images
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
post-production editing for photographers:
"What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
On Apr 5, 2005 11:24 AM, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
> post-production editing for photographers:
>
> "What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
> digital age is in using the compute
Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> "What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
> digital age is in using the computer in making an image.
Ansel Adams said (quite a long time ago) almost exactly the same thing about
printing his picures in the darkroom.
Th
xercise the abilities of
Photoshop..
Upon reading the entire article in Luminous Landscape, I get a more
balanced view of what the author is trying to bring across.
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Taking, Making, Creating Images
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete M
ntire article in Luminous Landscape, I get a more balanced
view of what the author is trying to bring across.
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Taking, Making, Creating Images
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
post-production editing for photogra
Hi,
Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 4:24:04 PM, Shel wrote:
> The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
> post-production editing for photographers:
> "What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
> digital age is in using the computer in making an
from shooting predominantly
transparencies.
Tom C.
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Taking, Making, Creating Images
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:24:04 -0700
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete My
I agree completely. Photographers have always tried to enhance their
work as best they can in processing and printing. Now, we have tools
available that allow much more control. Using them as well and as
completely as one can is appropriate. Photography that records no more
than what is actuall
t;Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:24 PM
Subject: Taking, Making, Creating Images
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
post-production editing for photographers:
"What I am suggesting is that the real power of pho
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
post-production editing for photographers:
"What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
digital age is in using the computer in making an image... I really don't
care all that m
Shel Belinkoff wrote on 4/5/2005, 11:24 AM:
> The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
> post-production editing for photographers:
>
> "What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
> digital age is in using the computer in making an i
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of
post-production editing for photographers:
"What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern
digital age is in using the computer in making an image... I really don't
care all that much about what the pic
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