Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-09 Thread eckinator
I think that was multiple splitting the thread maybe... sorry'bou'tha'! Cheers Ecke > On Oct 8, 2009, at 16:14 , Ken Waller wrote: > Hope you all don't mind if I re-insert the 3 responses that W. Robb and I > wrote yesterday (Wednesday) that somehow were summarily overlooked.   :-) -- PDML Pentax-

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Oct 8, 2009, at 16:14 , Ken Waller wrote: Hope you all don't mind if I re-insert the 3 responses that W. Robb and I wrote yesterday (Wednesday) that somehow were summarily overlooked. :-) - Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: The BS of Digi

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography - Original Message - From: "Ken Waller" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization th

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Ken Waller" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Ken Waller wrote: >>I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in >>the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing >>time. > > Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? >>>

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Bruce Walker
Mark Roberts wrote: Ken Waller wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'm on the fence about that. Don't worry, I'll picket up from here. Don't you g

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Ken Waller wrote: >From: "William Robb" >> From: "eckinator" >> >>>I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in >>>the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >> >> Why is everyone so damned busy processing post

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography - Original Message - From: "eckinator" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Scott Loveless wrote: On 10/7/09, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Bruce Walker wrote: mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realiz

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Bruce Walker wrote: mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'm on the fence about that. -bmw I knew someone wou

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread P. J. Alling
mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? New Hobby? -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with eith

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread eckinator
2009/10/8 William Robb : I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >>> >>> Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts?

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "eckinator" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread eckinator
2009/10/8 William Robb : >> I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in >> the >> >> camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. > > Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? >>>

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "eckinator" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
dml.net] On Behalf Of Bob > W > Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 5:09 PM > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: The BS of Digital Photography > >> Bit late on this thread, but here goes anyway; I've been >> thinking lately about going back

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread eckinator
I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >>> >>> Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? >> >> I'm on the fence about that. > >

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread eckinator
2009/10/8 Subash : >>> I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the >>> >>> camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >> >> Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? > > I'm on the fence about that. >>>

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread eckinator
2009/10/8 Subash : >>> I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the >>> >>> camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >> >> Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? > > I'm on the fence about that. >>>

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Subash
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, eckinator wrote: >> I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the >> >> camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. > > Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'm on the f

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread eckinator
> I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the > > camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? >>> >>> I'm on the fence about that. >> >> Don't worry, I'll picket u

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread John Coyle
entax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: The BS of Digital Photography > Bit late on this thread, but here goes anyway; I've been > thinking lately about going back to film (more accurately, > B&W, doing my own developing and printing) [...] > because my wife complains >

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread mike wilson
Bruce Walker wrote: > paul stenquist wrote: > > > > On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: > > > >> On 10/7/09, William Robb wrote: > >>> > >>> - Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: R

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-08 Thread Bob W
> Bit late on this thread, but here goes anyway; I've been > thinking lately about going back to film (more accurately, > B&W, doing my own developing and printing) [...] > because my wife complains > that she waits a long time to see prints of our DSLR-taken > family snapshots, that is if I ev

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Oct 7, 2009, at 21:33 , William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ken Waller" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is e

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Tom C
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, John Coyle wrote: On another tack, some others in this thread have reported a worrying lack of consistency in exposures using the latest Pentax DSLRs - this seems strange given that the first one Pentax made, the *ist-D, is the one I still use and am very happy wi

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Ken Waller" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Bruce Walker wrote: mike

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Bruce Walker" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloa

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography David J Brooks wrote: I try and get it right in camera as well. I can have the nicest looking histo gram on the planet, but when i open

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread John Coyle
ld or sixteen-year-old grandchildren! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 5:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: The BS of Digital Photography I just ordered a K-7 against

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > Bob W wrote: > >> I shoot raw, so I do have to post-process, but because I'm colour-blind I >> keep the post-processing down to contrast adjustments, mainly just trying >> to >> get a decent tone curve, and some cropping and horizon levelling

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: "Bruce Walker" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography paul stenquist wrote: On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 10/7/09,

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Bruce Walker
paul stenquist wrote: On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 10/7/09, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Bruce Walker wrote: mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly c

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread paul stenquist
On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 10/7/09, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Bruce Walker wrote: mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realizati

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/7/2009 10:29:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kwal...@peoplepc.com writes: Coming from 35 years or so of slide film only exposures, my approach is similar - the more you get right in the camera the less time you spend on the computer. Most of the pros I know do the same,

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Scott Loveless
On 10/7/09, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of > Digital Photography > > > > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > > > > mike wilson wrote: > > > > > > > Doug Frankli

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Bruce Walker wrote: mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing tim

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: mike wilson Doug Franklin wrote: > I quickly came to the realization that if I get it > right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing > time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? Makes it easier when you're ready to staple the barbed wire to 'em.

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote: >mike wilson wrote: >> Doug Franklin wrote: >> >>> I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the >>> camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >> >> Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? > >I'm on the fence about that. Don't

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Bruce Walker
mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? I'm on the fence about that. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@p

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 08/10/2009, Tom C wrote: > With transparencies I could say 'toss' or 'keep' pretty easily. And > yes when digitized maybe adjustments were made in Photoshop (I didn't > forget that point). With digital, I have exposure inaccuracy (can't > believe the meter), lower dynamic range, and the .jpg i

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread paul stenquist
A lot of them are too long straight from the lumber yard. Paul On Oct 7, 2009, at 4:51 PM, mike wilson wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy proc

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Doug Franklin
David J Brooks wrote: I try and get it right in camera as well. I can have the nicest looking histo gram on the planet, but when i open it on the computer, they just need "something". I assume your system is color calibrated? I'm not typically shooting "art" as much as I am for "coverage". A

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
sion that with raw there is no in camera processing. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: The BS of Digital Photography I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that it will

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/7/2009 11:48:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: > I've seen lots of your work, Bob, but could never tell you > were color blind... I reckon that's a compliment. Thanks, Boris. I trust the camera to record the colours accurately enough, and I don

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread mike wilson
Doug Franklin wrote: I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. Why is everyone so damned busy processing posts? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net t

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Bob W
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Bob W wrote: > > I shoot raw, so I do have to post-process, but because I'm > > colour-blind I keep the post-processing down to contrast > adjustments, > > mainly just trying to get a decent tone curve, and some > cropping and > > horizon levelling. It's

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Bob W
> > Conversely, being a good post-processor or a good printer does not > > necessarily make a person a good photographer, as a look at > any camera > > club print show will demonstrate. > > Don't you just hate the ones that are all three, though? I hate all the talented people. -- PDML Pent

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread paul stenquist
djusted to perfection if you have a pure grey or white area in the shot that is correctly lit. Paul Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" > Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Christine Aguila wrote: Even with

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Ken Waller
nneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Christine Aguila wrote: Even with digital, I still try to get the best photo in-camera to keep the post-capture processing down. When I started sh

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > I started that way.  I quickly came to the realization that if I get it > right in the camera, I can save myself boatloads of post processing time. >  So, for purely selfish motivations, I work a lot harder at getting it right > at capture t

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Tom C
Mark Roberts wrote: The trick is being able to tell when you're "bringing out a great image" and when you're "trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". :) Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, plea

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: > >>The rare, portfolio-grade, shot will get additional attention in >>Photoshop. >> >I'd say the rare, portfolio-grade shots won't need further attention :-) I wish that were true, but sometimes it isn't. True, most really great shots don't need a lot of

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Tom C
the shooting process, but before where I may have blamed myself, now I find myself thinking, I can fix that, it was the stupid camera. Tom On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Tom C" > Subject: The BS of Digital Photography

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread ann sanfedele
Mark Roberts wrote: Christine Aguila wrote: Even with digital, I still try to get the best photo in-camera to keep the post-capture processing down. This is my approach *exactly*: I try to get the capture as close to perfect as I can - just like I did with film - with the goal

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Desjardins, Steve
. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography Isn't that expanded dynamic range does now, in a general som

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Yep. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of d...@rileyelf.free-online.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:54 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: The BS of Digital Photography Kind of a bit like this? http

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread P. J. Alling
ailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography From: "Tom C" It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread drew
s. > > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Christine Aguila > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:53 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography > > > From: "Tom C"

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: > Conversely, being a good post-processor or a good printer does not > necessarily make a person a good photographer, as a look at any camera club > print show will demonstrate. Don't you just hate the ones that are all three, though? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdm

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Christine Aguila wrote: > Even with digital, I still try to get the best photo in-camera >to keep the post-capture processing down. When I started shooting digital, >I read somewhere that more than 5 or 10 minutes or so on a standard picture >should be enough post-processing. I try to follow

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread J.C. O'Connell
oup/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Desjardins, Steve Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:48 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: The BS of Digital Photography I think

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread J.C. O'Connell
dplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Desjardins, Steve Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:48 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: The BS of Digital Photography

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Mail List Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography From: "Tom C" > > It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the > speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what > do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time sa

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Cotty, sir ;-), since I've praised you more than once, this time I should refrain from yet another compliment into your direction ;-). On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Cotty wrote: > Bob's lucky - I'm colour-stupid! -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailma

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/10/09, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: >I've seen lots of your work, Bob, but could never tell you were color >blind... I reckon that's a compliment. Bob's lucky - I'm colour-stupid! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Boris Liberman
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Bob W wrote: > I shoot raw, so I do have to post-process, but because I'm colour-blind I > keep the post-processing down to contrast adjustments, mainly just trying to > get a decent tone curve, and some cropping and horizon levelling. It's quick > and easy. > > Bo

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Bob W
> If I start to feel I'm just shooting to be shooting, then I stop > shooting. Mark! > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of Christine Aguila > Sent: 07 October 2009 00:53 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Lis

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-07 Thread Bob W
> An example: This is a shot I took out of the window shortly > after taking off from San Francisco. > > http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/SF1.jpg > > With slides (and, pretty much, even with negative film) > that's what you'd end up with. But with digital image > processing it's easy to get thi

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: You are now the photolab as well as the photographer. Yeah, it /shouldn't/ be that difficult to understand, should it? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, ple

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need to post process. Must resist. OK, I'll wear the William Robb hat for a minute: Some people are

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob W wrote: Back in the film days this often-repeated claim used to rile me greatly, and it still does. 'Good photographers' take good pictures. That's all it takes to be a good photographer. You certainly don't need to be a good post-processor to be a good photographer. Henri Cartier-Bresson,

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob W wrote: I shoot raw, so I do have to post-process, but because I'm colour-blind I keep the post-processing down to contrast adjustments, mainly just trying to get a decent tone curve, and some cropping and horizon levelling. It's quick and easy. I shoot RAW+JPG despite the cost in photos

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Franklin
Jaume Lahuerta wrote: That's exactly what I feel when I try raw and open it on whatever editing program (that tend to be very slow to operate BTW). I can change so many things that I get paralyzed. I started that way. I quickly came to the realization that if I get it right in the camera, I

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/6/2009 7:06:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jo...@panix.com writes: > There are few perfect shots; almost anything can be processed in some way > depending on your tastes. Most problems were much harder to fix with film . . . An example: This is a shot I took out of th

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 02:25:54PM -0400, Desjardins, Steve wrote: > There are few perfect shots; almost anything can be processed in some way > depending on your tastes. Most problems were much harder to fix with film . > . . An example: This is a shot I took out of the window shortly after ta

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:18:00PM +0100, Bob W wrote: > > > > I'm surprised there isn't a setting to run the histogram from > > the raw image. Anyone know why that wouldn't be practical? > > > > The Leicas apparently do it that way. In any case, when you shoot raw (eg > dng) on them they igno

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Subash
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:25:32 -0400 Graydon wrote: > I don't know about PEF, but DNGs have a full-size (but wretched for > compression) JPEG in them, and these can be directly extracted. > > draw -e *.dng PEFs also have a full-size jpeg embedded in them which can be extracted using exiftools (in

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Christine Aguila
From: "Tom C" It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that wa

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Bob W
> > > > I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually > have to post > > process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. > > He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need to post process. > > Must resist. > > William Robb > No you mustn't -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: The BS of Digital Photography > Nevertheless, with the advent of digital capture, it seems or feels as if the process is far more complicated. Does it seem that way to others as well? Digital photographers have taken the

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. He said i don't know what i';m doing if i

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/6/2009 3:48:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: Back in the film days this often-repeated claim used to rile me greatly, and it still does. 'Good photographers' take good pictures. That's all it takes to be a good photographer. You certainly don't

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Bob W
[...] > > Tell that to Ansel Adams. Post processing is just as critical > to the final photograph as proper film developing and > printing. Good photographers not only post process their > work, but they consider the post processing when they shoot > so that they get the best final product pos

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Bob W
> > My approach to digital has become "How I learned to stop > worrying and love jpegs." > You can stop worrying and love raw too, if you want. I rarely use any of the fancy options on my cameras (those that have fancy options). I use them in much the same way as I used to use simple film cam

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Bob W
> > I'm surprised there isn't a setting to run the histogram from > the raw image. Anyone know why that wouldn't be practical? > The Leicas apparently do it that way. In any case, when you shoot raw (eg dng) on them they ignore any jpeg settings you've dialled in. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 01:52:41PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote: >> I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post >> process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. >> He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Dave >> I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post >> process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. >> He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need to post process. > > Tell that to Ansel Adams. Post processin

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 05:07:36PM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: > On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: [snip] >> But isn't the histogram on the LCD based on a jpeg from the RAW >> capture? >> This tweaking could be misleading when on a RAW capture. >> > Yes, but dialing down contrast

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread paul stenquist
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" > Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:07 AM, Tom C wrote: I just ordered a K-7 against what may may

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:07 AM, Tom C wrote: I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Ken Waller
there is no in camera processing. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: The BS of Digital Photography I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that it will meet my present needs, t

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread gldnbearz
Amen. Thank you. - Pat On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Desjardins, Steve wrote: > I think this is the essence of the problem.  Since we can adjust so much, we > feel the need, even an obligation to do.  I've just stopped.  I post process > if the picture is bad, otherwise I leave it as is.  J

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 01:52:41PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Bob W wrote: > >> It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture > >> and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG > >> factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this im

RE: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread Desjardins, Steve
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Bob W wrote: >> It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture >

Re: The BS of Digital Photography

2009-10-06 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Bob W wrote: >> It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture >> and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG >> factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. >> Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent >> post-

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