Writing is hard

2013-02-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Well it is. For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop books but none really structured for a semester-long course on Photoshop. So after years of frustration I gave up and started working on one of my

Writing is Hard

2013-03-01 Thread Doug Franklin
Good Heavens, folks, it sounds like some nerves got stomped on with that one. It seems to me (for the comprehension impaired, that means I'm about to state an opinion) that, like anything artistic, and many things not, it's an individual experience. If you require a definition for the phrase

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-27 Thread David J Brooks
I hear ya. Slow is not the word for the book i'm trying to do.:-) Dave On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Well it is. > > For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop > textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop > books but

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-27 Thread Walt
You have my deepest sympathies. I go through horrible bouts of writer's block, having once gone well over a year without writing anything more involved than an email. I have horrible discipline and hangups galore. For the first couple of years using a computer regularly, I still wrote everyth

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-27 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, Walt wrote: > > I go through horrible bouts of writer's block, having once gone well > over a year without writing anything more involved than an email. > > I have horrible discipline and hangups galore. For the first couple > of years using a computer regularly, I still wro

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread John Sessoms
From: Mark Roberts Well it is. For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop books but none really structured for a semester-long course on Photoshop. So after years of frustration I gave up and starte

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: >From: Mark Roberts > >> Well it is. >> >> For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop >> textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop >> books but none really structured for a semester-long course on >> Photoshop. So after yea

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Doug Brewer
On 2/27/13 5:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Well it is. For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop books but none really structured for a semester-long course on Photoshop. So after years of frustration

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote: >Writing is easy. Writing well is hard. Damn. I must be *really* good, then! (A la Calvin and Hobbes: "You know how Einstein got terrible grades in school? Well mine are even WORSE!") -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013, Doug Brewer wrote: > > Writing is easy. Writing well is hard. The reverse is true for me. People are different, ya know? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-imp

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: > > (A la Calvin and Hobbes: "You know how Einstein got terrible grades in > school? Well mine are even WORSE!") Not to spoil a good joke: http://www.einstein-website.de/z_kids/certificatekids.html -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > On 2/27/13 5:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> Well it is. >> >> For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop >> textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop >> books but none really structured

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Doug Brewer
On 2/28/13 1:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 2/27/13 5:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Well it is. For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop books b

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: >> On 2/27/13 5:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >>> >>> Well it is. >>> >>> For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop >>> textbook for the classes I teach. I've found

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote: >"Write drunk. Edit sober." - Hemingway Love it! But I'm not sure I want to apply that wisdom to a textbook... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above an

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I know you read it already but I'll say it anyway: MARK!! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Doug Brewer Sent: February 28, 2013 2/28/13 Writing is easy. Writing well is hard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSC

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Is this Hemingway fellow a list member? I hope so because that one should definitely make to 2013 quote list. Just in case: MARK! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Doug Brewer Sent: February 28, 2013 2/28/13 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" "Write drunk. Edit sober." - Hemingway

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I do technical writing for my living these days. Yes indeed: it is often very hard, slow work to do well. Assignments often seem to be in a state of perpetual slow motion. It is wise to keep in mind that the industry standard for an experienced, professional technical writer is that they should b

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >the industry standard for an >experienced, professional technical writer is that they should be able >to achieve approximately a page per work day of finished work, not >counting review and editorial re-write cycles. That seems to be right on the money. -- PDML Pentax

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
I try to average about 1000 words per day. I write in a wide variety of journalism and marketing genres, and some of my work is highly technical. However it isn't the kind of service manual or textbook writing commonly characterized as technical writing. My max is about 2200 words per day, but

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread kwaller
ching the hell out of them. Likewise, after a while, it was very easy for me to help my lawyers to pick apart an opponent's report. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Writing is h

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Doug Brewer
On 2/28/13 4:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I try to average about 1000 words per day. I write in a wide variety of journalism and marketing genres, and some of my work is highly technical. However it isn't the kind of service manual or textbook writing commonly characterized as technical writin

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Walt
On 2/28/2013 4:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 2/28/13 4:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I try to average about 1000 words per day. I write in a wide variety of journalism and marketing genres, and some of my work is highly technical. However it isn't the kind of service manual or textbook writing c

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > On 2/28/13 4:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> I try to average about 1000 words per day. I write in a wide variety of >> journalism and marketing genres, and some of my work is highly technical. >> However it isn't the kind of service manual or

RE: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Bob W
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts > > Doug Brewer wrote: > > >Writing is easy. Writing well is hard. > > Damn. I must be *really* good, then! > > (A la Calvin and Hobbes: "You know how Einstein got terrible grades in > school? Well mine are even WORSE!") >

Re: Writing is hard

2013-02-28 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > On 2/28/13 1:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: >>> On 2/27/13 5:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Well it is. For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop >

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Brewer On 2/28/13 4:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I try to average about 1000 words per day. I write in a wide variety of journalism and marketing genres, and some of my work is highly technical. However it isn't the kind of service manual or textbook writing commonly characterized as

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Stan Halpin
On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > John Sessoms wrote: > >> From: Mark Roberts >> >>> Well it is. >>> >>> For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop >>> textbook for the classes I teach. I've found plenty of good Photoshop >>> books but none really s

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: > > The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which you > can re-write and edit while writing. For every step forward, it's two > steps back-space. What about people who disagree that it's a big problem, or even a problem at all? In othe

RE: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Bob W
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch > > On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: > > > > The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which you > > can re-write and edit while writing. For every step forward, it's two > > steps back-space. > > What

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bob W wrote: >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch >> >> On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: >> > >> > The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which you >> > can re-write and edit while writing. For every ste

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, Bob W wrote: >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch >> On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: >>> >>> The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which you >>> can re-write and edit while writing. For every step forward, it's t

RE: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Bob W
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch > >>> > >>> The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which > >>> you can re-write and edit while writing. For every step forward, > >>> it's two steps back-space. > >> > >> What about people who disagree that it

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: Aahz Maruch On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which you can re-write and edit while writing. For every step forward, it's two steps back-space. What about people who disagree that it's a big problem, or even a problem a

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Roberts
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Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
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Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Doug Franklin
From: Mark Roberts For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop textbook for the classes I teach. Oh, crap. Please don't be "one of /those/ guys". We used to call any class in which the instructor wrote the text a "Read along with Larry" class, for reasons that shou

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Franklin wrote: From: Mark Roberts > For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop > textbook for the classes I teach. > >Oh, crap. Please don't be "one of /those/ guys". We used to call any >class in which the instructor wrote the text a "Read along wi

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2013-03-01 23:11, Mark Roberts wrote: In fact, I'm writing the book to cover the things I *don't* want to have to talk about in class. So we can get on with the other stuff. That's great to hear. That's not typical of my experiences, though, as you might imagine from my earlier post. :-)

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: From: Mark Roberts > For those who don't know I'm in the midst of writing my own Photoshop > textbook for the classes I teach. > > Oh, crap. Please don't be "one of /those/ guys". We used to call any class > in which the instructor

Re: Writing is Hard

2013-03-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 1, 2013, at 19:50 , Doug Franklin wrote: > Good Heavens, folks, it sounds like some nerves got stomped on with that one. > It seems to me (for the comprehension impaired, that means I'm about to > state an opinion) that, like anything artistic, and many things not, it's an > individual

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, Bob W wrote: >>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch >>> On Fri, Mar 01, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: The big problem with writing on a computer is the ease with which you can re-wr

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-02 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >it's obviously a matter of opinion, so there is no need to state that. This >is a mailing list, not a courtroom. I move for a recess. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-02 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 2 March 2013 18:24, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>it's obviously a matter of opinion, so there is no need to state that. This >>is a mailing list, not a courtroom. > > I move for a recess. > I object. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net h

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 2, 2013, at 23:46 , Chris Mitchell wrote: > On 2 March 2013 18:24, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> it's obviously a matter of opinion, so there is no need to state that. This >>> is a mailing list, not a courtroom. >> >> I move for a recess.

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-03 Thread Stan Halpin
On Mar 3, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > On Mar 2, 2013, at 23:46 , Chris Mitchell wrote: > >> On 2 March 2013 18:24, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>> On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> it's obviously a matter of opinion, so there is no need to state that. This >

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 3, 2013, at 19:37 , Stan Halpin wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > >> >> On Mar 2, 2013, at 23:46 , Chris Mitchell wrote: >> >>> On 2 March 2013 18:24, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > it's obviously a

Re: Writing is hard

2013-03-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Joseph McAllister On Mar 2, 2013, at 23:46 , Chris Mitchell wrote: On 2 March 2013 18:24, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 1/3/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: it's obviously a matter of opinion, so there is no need to state that. This is a mailing list, not a courtroom. I move for a

Photo VCS (was Re: Writing is hard)

2013-02-28 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > That's one way to work -- edit as you write. Some writers just fire > away and then edit five to ten thousand words at a time. I wrote a > novel a while back. I did most of my editing in spurts -- usually > when I thought things were going askew:-). F

Re: Photo VCS (was Re: Writing is hard)

2013-02-28 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> That's one way to work -- edit as you write. Some writers just fire >> away and then edit five to ten thousand words at a time. I wrote a >> novel a while back. I did most of my editing in spurt