RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary, lists, I think you are suggesting a nice amendment to the more general statement I put forward. When writing it, I was struggling to incorporate individuals, groups and natural kinds into the formulation, and I think all three are needed. Here is a restatement: Instincts, being habits

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread gnox
Jeff, yes, that makes it more general. I asked my wife (who's a bookkeeper) and it does make sense to her that if there's an entry for the benefit to the individual, and another for the benefit to the kind, then the individual entry should not be higher than the "kind" entry, in the case of an

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Stephen Jarosek
Claudio, I think I like where you are going with this. The tripod that is the triadic scheme won’t stand with one or more of its legs missing. That is, firstness, secondness and thirdness are not separate “parts” of thought, but different aspects of thought... somehow analogous to the wave-parti

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary F, list, Yes, that is the approach I would adopt as an interpretative hypothesis. It squares with quite a number of things he says and the different kinds of instincts he considers. Having said that, I think it might help if the explanation were made more general: Instinct, being a ha

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
LocalI would think that instinct is related to two categories. Not one but two. It is related to Firstness, to the internal free will-to-exist and to network and explore. Existence itself functions within the rigid boundaries, the constraints of Secondness to produce an individual external exi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Gary Richmond
Claudio, list, Just a quick response to one suggestion in your post. You wrote: I think [. . . ] that instinct is some how related to secondness, to a more (so to say) 'biological' aspect, I would agree that instinct must involve the 'biological'. But I'm not so sure that even there I'd limit i

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread gnox
Jeff, Gary et al., My first thought was that instinct being a habit of the species (not just the individual), it would have been weeded out by natural selection if the “ledger” didn’t “balance”. Isn’t that a possibility for what Peirce had in mind? Gary f. From: Gary Richmond [mailto:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Claudio Guerri
Gary, List, you are right Gary, but there is still a strange behavior in most of us Peirce-listers... we read and study Peirce, but then we write and understand was is written in a strict 'positivist' way. Since everything is a sign and every sign has to be considered triadic... then of course

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Gary Richmond
Jeff, John, list, Jeff, quoting Peirce, wrote: This claims is particularly interesting: "Association may happen to be of advantage to the associating individuals; but each individual's instinct brings no more advantage to him than the sum of all the advantages that it brings to so many others.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] La contribución de Peirce para la teoría de la comunicación

2015-07-15 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Dear Claudio, list Thanks! I will try to get a copy of Mattia Thibault's chapter as well. All the best, Vinicius 2015-07-15 15:13 GMT-03:00 Claudio Guerri : > Vinicius, Spanish-speaking friends of the List, > thanks for your article Vinicius, and in return here is also one in > Spanish at Academ

Re: [PEIRCE-L] La contribución de Peirce para la teoría de la comunicación

2015-07-15 Thread Claudio Guerri
Vinicius, Spanish-speaking friends of the List, thanks for your article Vinicius, and in return here is also one in Spanish at Academia: https://www.academia.edu/10284308/La_Manumisi%C3%B3n_de_las_im%C3%A1genes It is an article written for Lexia 17-18 on how to do things with images... "La man

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Thomas
Jeffrey - I believe you have reiterated my point, that Peirce said there is an emotional aspect of abduction. This is in contrast to "instinct." (Your second sentence almost reiterates your first one, and your third makes no reference either to emotion or instinct. "Some conscious awareness of

[PEIRCE-L] La contribución de Peirce para la teoría de la comunicación

2015-07-15 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Dear Spanish-speaking friends I recently wrote a chapter to a book organized by Gustavo Garduño Oropeza and Lenin Martell Gámez (Universidad Autónoma del Estado de México). The title of the book is "Dies autores clave para comprender la comunicación como metadisciplina": Here is the link to the we

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Gary Richmond
Claudio, list, Claudio wrote: "I would say that instinct is not related to knowledge, but abduction and habit are. There is no 'good' abduction without knowledge... ​"​ I'm not certain that I agree with the first part of this statement, viz., "that instinct is not related to knowledge," but that

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Ozzie, Neal, List, On Peirce's account, every act of interpretation involves a feeling on the part of the subject that is engaged in the semiotic process. As such, we shouldn't be surprised to find that every abductive inference involves an emotion on the part of the individual who is exerting

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Claudio Guerri
Charles, List, bref... I would say that instinct is not related to knowledge, but abduction and habit are. There is no 'good' adbduction without knowledge... there is no 'interesting' habit without it neither... best Claudio charlesp...@comcast.net escribió el 15/07/2015 a las 12:42 p.m.: It is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Ozzie
I recall that Peirce said the act of abduction creates an "emotion" within the individual. It struck me at the time. I took it to mean a good feeling imprinted during infancy, when a mother (caregiver) consistently rewarded the baby-infant for learning. Emotion building with mama: 1- the a

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary, John, list, I agree that this passage is particularly important for understanding Peirce's account of instinct. The first step in developing a better explanation of the nature of instinct is to provide a more adequate natural classification of the different kinds of instincts. It appear

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread charlespyle
It is not obvious to me, perhaps exposing holes in my knowledge of Peirce, if or how instinct is different from abduction. - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Udell" To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:50:28 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct John C.,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Neal Bruss
Re: instinct, and excuse me if you¹ve covered this already. Does Peirce ever write anything about amalgams of logical, emotional, and energetic interpretants, in any combination? On 7/15/15, 10:36 AM, "Jeffrey Brian Downard" wrote: >List, > >John, I was not trying to suggest that the Century de

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
List, John, I was not trying to suggest that the Century definitions of instinct are unhelpful. Rather, my suggestion was that they are good place to start if you want to understand how Peirce is using the word. The definitions show the generality of his conception--and how it fits with estab

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Gary Richmond
John, First, I agree with you that Miguel's snippet from "A Theory of Probable Inference" is a gem (esp. the "important truth, that all human knowledge, up to the highest flights of science, is but the development of our inborn animal instincts") and will have me rereading that piece later in the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Udell
John C., list, Here's another Peirce quote on instinct, FWIW: [§6. The Fallibility of Reasoning and the Feeling of Rationality (Minute Logic, ergo 1902 or 1903) CP 2.170.] If I may be allowed to use the word "habit," without any implication as to the time or manner in which i

[PEIRCE-L] CO-MANAGERS AND MODERATOR NOTE

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Udell
Sungchul Ji, list, Sung, you send many attachments, some of them a megabyte or more in size, and you send sets of them repeatedly because you initially omitted one or you revised one. I have asked you before to stop doing this sort of thing, but you've done it again, then again. So Gary Rich

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Instinct

2015-07-15 Thread Stephen Jarosek
A further observation regarding the distinction between the Peircean paradigm (knowledge, including instinct, as learned) versus genocentrism (instinct as data in the DNA). If we interpret the Peircean paradigm in the context of "knowing how to be," then we obtain a major insight into what unifi