Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Jerry Rhee
Helmut, list: You said, " If the members of a sect all agree, that the earth is a disc with a snake around, saying, that this is the truth for them, would be a parody of "truth", I think." But that is only the members who investigate that you know about. That is not the one that is ultimately fa

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
I think, what is (being), as far as I have understood it from this thread, is about "all who investigate", as a subject is a being, when it has a predicate added. So, one person or one observer, maybe one impersonal sign recipient, a molecule or a particle, can be "all who investigate", like an el

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Jerry Rhee
If you're talking about common, you shouldn't ignore Socrates and Plato. To ask the "what is..." question is to do common sense. Consider the following, however: "Only everybody can know the truth". ~Goethe (kinda) "The opinion which is fated to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread CLARK GOBLE
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > > I think, your posts have made the problem of the term "average" clear. Am I > right with understanding it like: "Average" usually suggests a completed > statistical calculation, and statistics is mathematics, therefore exact > logic. Bu

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Jerry Rhee
Helmust, list: haha! I suppose... but sometimes that which is unknown can be labeled "noise" and *noise* is subject to constraints. So, it depends on how clearly constraints are established. But even then, the situation may be nonholonomic and may matter but not definitely examined. Best, J

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jerry, Clark, All, I think, your posts have made the problem of the term "average" clear. Am I right with understanding it like: "Average" usually suggests a completed statistical calculation, and statistics is mathematics, therefore exact logic. But in our context, "average" is not meant for an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce, Epistemology and Immortality

2016-06-28 Thread Jerry Rhee
Hi Clark, list: You said, “My interest in the Neglected Argument tends to be towards how it illuminates abduction rather than God.” I think that is how all Peirceans view the NA. You said, “The question I’d ask is less about Peirce’s religious beliefs than his more epistemological stances.

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce, Epistemology and Immortality

2016-06-28 Thread Clark Goble
The Being thread didn’t really go as far as I expected, although I know many people are out of town right now. (And I will be next week) I thought I’d raise a different topic. At various times people have been discussing Peirce and religion. I’ll confess I’ve not followed such exchanges closely

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Jerry Rhee
Hi all, How about entering into inquiry of a situation, a particular situation. That situation will have a set of communications associated with it. But that situation is only one situation of many possible situations. And what we want to know is how it will play out in the next instance. That wou

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Copula and Being

2016-06-28 Thread Clark Goble
> On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > > I understand it like "mean", "average" and "normal" are necessary traits of > any predicate, and there is no predicate but within communication, and "mean" > is the common aspect of the communicated subject, "average" is the > agreed-ab