Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metaphysics and Nothing (was Peirce's Cosmology)

2016-10-18 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list: Here is an explanation of the last post. 61. Modern methods have created modern science; and this century, and especially the last twenty-five years, have done more to create new methods than any former equal period. We live in the very age of methods. Even mathematics and astronomy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metaphysics and Nothing (was Peirce's Cosmology)

2016-10-18 Thread Jerry Rhee
https://outlivinglife.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/information_hose.jpg Best, Jerry R On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > Ben, List: > > Thank you for sharing these comments. I will need to take a look at the > text of Heidegger's speech, and

[PEIRCE-L] Metaphysics and Nothing (was Peirce's Cosmology)

2016-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Ben, List: Thank you for sharing these comments. I will need to take a look at the text of Heidegger's speech, and then decide whether I have anything worthwhile to say about it myself. For now, I am simply renaming the thread topic for the sake of clarity going forward. Regards, Jon On Tue,

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Ben Novak
Dear Jon, Edwina, Helmut, Jerry, Gary: This email chain, for me, has been one of the most interesting and useful. I greatly appreciate the efforts of all of you to arrive at the clarity of the last few emails in the chain. The reason I am writing this is because it seems to me that we have

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list: Plato: The Soul is older than the body, *Laws* Aristotle: Substance/non-being is first in every sense, *Metaphysics* Peirce: Substance and being are the beginning and end of all conception, *On a New List of Categories* Best, Jerry R On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jon Alan

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: I don't agree that the 'blackboard' exists, and as a homogeneity - it is not the same as Thirdness, which is habit. Of course the blackboard does not *exist*, since its reality--or rather, the reality of what it represents in Peirce's diagram--precedes the emergence of *any*

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
1) Pure zero is NOT the continuum of Thirdness. Because Thirdness is made up of general habits. I agree that 'nothing in particular necessarily resulted' - i.e., there was no agential Mind and no necessary model of the universe. Our universe could have spontaneously generated some other

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jon, list 1) I disagree that pure energy is 'something'. I consider it as aspatial and atemporal to be nothing. 2) I don't agree that the 'blackboard' exists, and as a homogeneity - it is not the same as Thirdness, which is habit. The blackboard has no habits. 3) I don't think the pure chance

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: Pure undifferentiated energy so to speak. That sounds like *something*, rather than *nothing*. ET: Peirce assumes all three categories as 'fundamental elements' - acting upon each other from the beginning. Except that the clean blackboard is there *before* any chalk mark

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, Jon, Gary, list, I think I am an agnostic. "Everything could come from nothing" (Edwina) reminds me of having read (merely) the (very) beginning of Hegels, I think it was "Science of logic". Hegel showed how dialectics leads to the evolution from "nothing" to "something", and then on to

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jon, list: I guess we'll just continue to disagree but I don't think the outline is really that clear in Peirce's writings. I consider from his work, that the universe began with 'nothing', in the sense that there was no determination, no agenda, ..never mind no actualization. Pure

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Jay Zeman

2016-10-18 Thread Dau, Frithjof
Hi, I own www.existential-graph.org (for about two decades now or so ... oh my ...) and I would be more than pleased to offer some space on my site. Best Frithjof -Original Message- From: CG [mailto:cg-boun...@gnowledge.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Brian Downard Sent: Freitag, 14. Oktober

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Cosmology

2016-10-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: So- I argue that indeed, everything could come from nothing, via the actions of self-organization, as outlined by Peirce in the earlier sections... 1.412. Indeed, Nathan Houser's introduction to Volume 1 of *The Essential Peirce* (